I don’t think fans expecting the most expensive squad in SL to NOT to get relegated is entitled!! I’ve been home and away for 40 years I just expect better than this coach, he’s rotten in every way and blind faith helps no-one.

So you really think fans don't make a difference? Another of many posts based on a one dimensional viewpoint. To quote the great Obi Wan Kenobe, 'only a sith deals in absolutes'.

I'm comparing fans, that's it. I'm not debating the Powell thing anymore.

Refer to my last comment. I didn't say Lampard didn't make any difference. But imo, the fans backing pushed them the extra mike and kept them up.

Btw, Lampard hasn't got a particularly strong coaching cv, or have I missed something.

Did you go to any of Everton’s games last season, in particular any of their last ten?

Yes. In the main, the performances were just as bad as under Benitez. The fans basically made a huge difference.

Under Benitez, those performances made the fans negative. In that final run-in, the fans actually supported them even when it was e.

The fans that were there yesterday were more bothered about singing “how sh*t must you be” when they were in front yesterday— bonkers. I mean if you were on the field and hearing that- who is that going to gee up? The wire players or the opposition?
At the end of the game most of the wire fans left either just before or at the final whistle. A few remained- including the guy with the drum.
They started a rendition of “what the f*cking hell was that” as the players started walking over to the fans, so the players just stopped and walked away again.
It’s no wonder you say they aren’t playing with any heart. Think you are part of the problem.
Compare that to wakey who are fighting tooth and nail to stay up.

You may not have been aware, but the games were covered on Sky and radio stations. And it was well reported that the Everton fans made Goodison into a bit of a fortress.

Are you saying that in order to form an opinion, one has to be present at a said event/events?

I take it you're probably unaware of the Ukraine war given that you're not there.

Where have I said this? Jumping to conclusions and calling somebody "one dimensional" does you no credit. There are many factors that may affect a sporting contest, but implying that it's all down to the supporters and ignoring the many other factors does not make any sense to me.

Sorry, read the wrong quote.

Scenario. Toulouse are 16-0 up, early in the second half Wire get two quick tries and it’s 16-12. Do you think the whole stadium will be roaring Wire on to complete the comeback just like those wondrous Everton fans v Crystal Palace?

Your love of Powell. Resorting to insults again and unaware of the irony of your ‘one dimensional’ claptrap.

Apologies. I thought a previous quote was from you.

Are you saying that the fans didn't make a difference? Was it down to purely Lampard in your opinion?

By dismissing the support of the fans and only crediting Lampard is one dimensional...isn't it?

Please, if you would, provide me with your definition if you find this inaccurate.

Do you think the fans made a difference?

Leeds fan in peace……I cannot believe that some of your fans are talking about relegation even being a possibility……with only 6 games to go and due to their far inferior points difference, Toulouse need to win 3 of their last 6 (granted one is against you) to stay up and that’s even IF you don’t pick up another point all season.

Fair do’s if some of your fans don’t think you will win another game this season, but even if that were to happen (it won’t in my opinion) there is no way Toulouse are winning 3 of their last 6…they just got smashed at home by a Hull FC team that has had 50 plus put on them 3 of their last 4/5 games.

Granted, you shouldn’t be in this mess…but getting relegated this season….no way

Why don't you do another poll?

Have you read my post in reply to you on the previous page? If you wish to insult me, there's no point in trying to reasonably discuss anything with you.

I think in that scenario, a good section of our fans would be so heavy on the backs of the players that it would be more likely to go to 32-0, than 16-12.

I think with all the negativity that hangs over the club, we have forgot how to support (and I don't necessarily mean that as an insult, it's a natural thing to occur when a side is in the rut we are). Its almost like we now expect the worst and sort of sit back waiting for it to unfurl, rather than realise that a bit more passionate, positive support might just be the difference.

As someone points out here, sarcastic chants of how must you be, to the Huddersfield players, isn't exactly a motivation to the Wire team - more likely it spurs on the opposition to prove you wrong.

So yes, while gallows humour has its place, during the heat of a relegation battle it might be better to leave it on here, than on the terraces.

I'm asking you.

Blimey this is sad when this is written by a neutral & rational rugby league fan ... I think it would be fair to say ... that our "fans" are very much part of the problem. Of course they are not the main problem ... but some have definitely played their part in our demise. Some have been negative & cynical for many years and it is never the best way to "support" a team. I remember well being labelled a "happy clapper" after losing in a final. Blimey those happy days!

Someone mentioned ,a few pages back, about our one off great victory at Wembley where we raised our game & wouldn't let Saints get into their stride. When i went to Wembley that day i would have been happy limiting our loss to 30 points because we had been so bad in the league prior to our great day out. I don't mind saying ,i was shocked when we won & the two Saints fans i travelled with were dumbstruck on the way home ,no doubt thinking up excuses as to why Saints were so bad that they lost the match.

My point is that even in what now seem the heady days of Price ,the team were still capitulating in games, losing games that with a bit more enthusiasm & application we should have won. Before Wembley & again after Wembley we really were rubbish & for quite a lot of matches we threw the towel in too easily.

Obviously, the present team must be cut to ribbons confidence wise especially after so many changes in the dressing room but some of them are still remnants of the squad that let us down in the last days of Smith & under Price. I do still wonder if it is a fitness problem though or just motivational.

I did apologise for confusing posts.

I said Jesus wept, it's hardly an insult, but if you're offended by that then apologies.

That wasn't the comment I was referring to. Revisit your posts to me, and mine to you, as that will help you to understand where I'm coming from.

Were all on the same side, and non of us want the Wire to go down, or be worse off than we were under previous regimes etc. etc. but we all have a different view of how this should be achieved, and an individual right to it.

Your insults only hand credibility to those supporters who don't match up your benchmark, of what their behaviour should be when watching a live game, especially when used in a scattergun way.

Regardless of what the fans think of Powell and what’s going on there. The players maybe aren’t playing for Powell, we don’t know whether that’s the case- but what’s clear is that the players aren’t playing for you the fans either, and why would they!
Compare that to Wakefield who are in a dire position, with a poor coach very much out of his depth, and it’s clear that those players - many of them in key positions it appears are leaving that club at the end of the season, are very much playing for the fans.