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| Quote ="Dawson"I would keep Bridge, Neal (no idea if he is any good), Hicks, Cooper, Wood, Morley.
Unsure about the Andersons, I am really dissapointed how poor Vinnie has been compared to his time at St Helens. But that may be because of injuries or because Saints are a lot better and made him look better'"
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| Its all a bit reminiscent of Cullen taking over in late 2002 and inheriting a lot of players who he had to find ways to get rid of over time...O'Reilly, Laughton, Crouthers, Sturm etc.
I reckon time will be up for Johnson, Briers, Rauhihi, Vinnie Anderson and Bridge. Jury's out on Louis Anderson. It also seems clear that Gleeson and Monaghan want to be granted releases to the NRL, perhaps King as well. It wouldn't surprise me if Reardon's continuing injuries see some arrangement struck for his departure.
If all those players move on then we've got a lot of salary space freed up for some serious recruitment - and I think Smith will make sure we aren't held to ransom by excessive demands like we have been in the past.
There's a decent core of players with which to move forwards in the pack: Front row: Morley, Carvell, Wood, Cooper, Pickersgill, Neal
Hookers: Clarke, Higham
Back row: Westwood, Harrison, Blythe, Mitchell, Grix
Only one or two experienced additions are needed there.
I think its important that we stand by Riley and Penny as we are short of outside backs for the future and they are important. I also think Hicks is worthy of a new deal. But we need to get some quality threequarters in, three or four.
And two new halfbacks are needed - more than likely we need to look at the NRL.
We are obviously dependent on who is available for 2010 and who isn't....we might have to keep on a couple of players that we don't want to simply because we need to fill a position. It's going to be a difficult task but there could be lots of opportunities, and importantly now we have a respected coach in Tony Smith at the helm, we are going to be able to attract the right kind of player.
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| Would like to see at least 7 of those go.
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| I would like to see just one of those sacked and the rest wouldn't be influenced by him anymore.
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| Quote ="sally cinnamon"Its all a bit reminiscent of Cullen taking over in late 2002 and inheriting a lot of players who he had to find ways to get rid of over time...O'Reilly, Laughton, Crouthers, Sturm etc.
I reckon time will be up for Johnson, Briers, Rauhihi, Vinnie Anderson and Bridge. Jury's out on Louis Anderson. It also seems clear that Gleeson and Monaghan want to be granted releases to the NRL, perhaps King as well. It wouldn't surprise me if Reardon's continuing injuries see some arrangement struck for his departure.
If all those players move on then we've got a lot of salary space freed up for some serious recruitment - and I think Smith will make sure we aren't held to ransom by excessive demands like we have been in the past.
There's a decent core of players with which to move forwards in the pack: Front row: Morley, Carvell, Wood, Cooper, Pickersgill, Neal
Hookers: Clarke, Higham
Back row: Westwood, Harrison, Blythe, Mitchell, Grix
Only one or two experienced additions are needed there.
I think its important that we stand by Riley and Penny as we are short of outside backs for the future and they are important. I also think Hicks is worthy of a new deal. But we need to get some quality threequarters in, three or four.
And two new halfbacks are needed - more than likely we need to look at the NRL.
We are obviously dependent on who is available for 2010 and who isn't....we might have to keep on a couple of players that we don't want to simply because we need to fill a position. It's going to be a difficult task but there could be lots of opportunities, and importantly now we have a respected coach in Tony Smith at the helm, we are going to be able to attract the right kind of player.'" I agree with much of the post, but the bit in bold is what worries me most.
Our last 2 halves have been from the NRL, and they don't always transfer their game that well to the SL - I'm not gonna get into the debate of whether they are 7's or 9's.
One thing that is clear, just signing players who do well in the NRL isn;t a guarantee that they will do well here. We need to be cleverer in our recruitment and sign players who play in the style we want. They may be lesser names, but suit SL's and ours style better (like Grose for example). I trust Smith on this one though.
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| Matt Orford turns 30 and is out of contract this year.
Just a point to throw in there.
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| I wouldn't mind us going for Michael Witt at the NZ Warriors. He's one of the players whos not a big name but has been a cult hero at all his clubs because he's a 100%er, and he has the Nat Wood thing about him in that he can suddenly pull something off that lifts the team when its a dead game. Also he would be without a doubt the best goalkicker in Super League. He seems to have been around the NRL for a while but he's only just turned 25.
Brian Smith brought him through the ranks at Parra so Tony can always canvas his opinion. In fact the Brian Smith connection will be good because he's still coaching in the NRL, so Tony can get an up to date opinion on any of the signings he's considering, to see whether they are still the business or starting to go on the decline.
Most of the players who Tony Smith has brought over from the NRL have been pretty successful in SL. He brought Brandon Costin over to Hudds, plus Andrew Frew, David Atkins, Troy Stone they were all good especially Costin. He also brought Graham Appo over here, our last Super League 'Dream Team' stand off! Anthony Colella started pretty well but then had a career ending injury.
At Leeds he signed Lauitiiti, Donald, Webb and Kylie Leuluai, they were all good.
The ones who didn't really make it were Ben Kusto at Hudds, and Clinton Toopi at Leeds. Mark O'Neill had an injury at Leeds but then went ok for Hull KR.
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| Quote ="sally cinnamon"I wouldn't mind us going for Michael Witt at the NZ Warriors. He's one of the players whos not a big name but has been a cult hero at all his clubs because he's a 100%er, and he has the Nat Wood thing about him in that he can suddenly pull something off that lifts the team when its a dead game. Also he would be without a doubt the best goalkicker in Super League. He seems to have been around the NRL for a while but he's only just turned 25.
Brian Smith brought him through the ranks at Parra so Tony can always canvas his opinion. In fact the Brian Smith connection will be good because he's still coaching in the NRL, so Tony can get an up to date opinion on any of the signings he's considering, to see whether they are still the business or starting to go on the decline.
Most of the players who Tony Smith has brought over from the NRL have been pretty successful in SL. He brought Brandon Costin over to Hudds, plus Andrew Frew, David Atkins, Troy Stone they were all good especially Costin. He also brought Graham Appo over here, our last Super League 'Dream Team' stand off! Anthony Colella started pretty well but then had a career ending injury.
At Leeds he signed Lauitiiti, Donald, Webb and Kylie Leuluai, they were all good.
The ones who didn't really make it were Ben Kusto at Hudds, and Clinton Toopi at Leeds. Mark O'Neill had an injury at Leeds but then went ok for Hull KR.'" I've subscribed to Setanta this year to follow the NRL, which I haven't done for a few years, so I am looking forward to seeing some of these players.
I'm intrigued as to who Smith is going to look to recruit to solve our problems.
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| Quote ="fes"Head Coach: James Lowes 2009
Assistant Coach: Nigel Wright 2009
2. Paul Johnson 2009
6. Lee Briers home grown 2009
8. Adrian Morley 2009 with option for 2010
10. Paul Rauhihi Overseas Quota 2009
11. Louis Anderson Overseas Trained 2009
13. Vinnie Anderson Overseas Trained 2009
15. Paul Wood home grown 2009
17. Steve Pickersgill home grown 2009
18. Mike Cooper home grown 2009
20. Simon Grix 2009
21. Matty Blythe home grown 2009
23. Chris Hicks Overseas Quota 2009
25. Chris Bridge 2009
TBA. Adam Neal home grown 2009'"
Kevin Sinfield is on his way to us next year so a few of these players would have to be let go so we could fit him under the cap.
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| Quote ="Purplehaze"Wonder what Matt Rodwell is doing these days.....'"
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| Quote ="Latchford Wolvesfan"Kevin Sinfield is on his way to us next year so a few of these players would have to be let go so we could fit him under the cap.'"
It'll Take More Than Tony Smith To Get Kevin Sinfield To Warrington!, 1st Place Champions To Current Wooden Spoon...
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| Head Coach: James Lowes 2009
Assistant Coach: Nigel Wright 2009
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8. Adrian Morley 2009 with option for 2010
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11. Louis Anderson Overseas Trained 2009
13. Vinnie Anderson Overseas Trained 2009
:274x5dq415. Paul Wood home grown 2009
Ones in bold I would say bye, bye to. DEFINITELY keep Bridge and Adam, Bridge is one of the best half backs we have and i can't see any other half backs wanting to sign for us at the end of this season. I'd keep Mozzer as I love his collum in the MEN . Not sure about the Anderson's, Blythe And Grix, have to see how they go on.
The problem we have is that we have built a team around Briers, but his years of 'good' rugby are over now. We need to now build a team around a good 'youngish' player.
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| Keep: Wood, Cooper, Grix, Blythe, Hicks, L.Anderson, Neal
Release: Johnson, Briers, Morley, Rauhihi, V.Anderson, Pickersgill, Bridge
We need to decide early which players have a future beyond 2009, to determine next seasons budget, and put offers in for quality off contract players. I'm sure Tony Smith and co will have this all under control.
Any idea which top SL and NRL players are out of contract this summer?
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For me Morley has past it he's not the once feared impact player he once was a great shame when we signed him I was over the moon!!
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| how about a certain sonny bill williams, always plays with his heart on his sleeve, alryt he's into the old green notes big time but it has been sad he isn't enjoying RU as much as he thought. Would definately look forward to some monster hits and aggresive defensive structures with him on board.
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| Quote ="Jimmy Wire"how about a certain sonny bill williams, always plays with his heart on his sleeve, alryt he's into the old green notes big time but it has been sad he isn't enjoying RU as much as he thought. Would definately look forward to some monster hits and aggresive defensive structures with him on board.'"
One injury prone player replacing three? Not a good idea.
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| Quote ="The Joker®"It'll Take More Than Tony Smith To Get Kevin Sinfield To Warrington!, 1st Place Champions To Current Wooden Spoon...
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How does 1.4 million over 4 years sound.
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| Quote ="Latchford Wolvesfan"How does 1.4 million over 4 years sound.'"
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| Quote ="Ian [77"Like horseshat?'"
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| That's what money King's on.
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| Quote ="Latchford Wolvesfan"That's what money King's on.'"
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| Quote ="getdownmonkeyman"Either you are on a huge wind-up or, you have just shown yourself up, massively'"
It isn't the second one, only 5 people know how much money Matt King's on.
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