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| Quote ="Builth Wells Wire"www.totalrl.com/super-league-attendances-last-year/'"
I am afraid that data was compiled back in April 2016 and benefitted from that big 15k crowd when we played Widnes and all their fans were a bit giddy from their high placing in SL. Since then attendances have slipped back a bit.
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| Quote ="lefty goldblatt"This thread has become like Super League itself, not as good as when it first started, and obsessed with statistics..
Come on fellas, bickering over prop's metres per drive average is as dull as our constant scooting tactics.
Scooting is OK, but in moderation. Smith and Agar seem obsessed by it. We have one of the world's great No 7's in our ranks, yet he doesn't (to me) get his hands on the ball enough. Add to this, a rampaging No. 11, who's seen less balls than Anne Widdecombe, in the last few weeks. We've become dull. There, I've said it. dull, dull, dull, mind-numbingly dull. I don't want win at all costs, robotic rugby. I WANT TO BE ENTERTAINED. If that means losing games, and unfortunately a final, so be it. I don't want the Wigan attitude of "b0ll0cks to the fans, just make sure we get the two points/trophy".
Unfortunately, today's fan has morphed into a Top Trumps bore, who can recite which particular player had most runs from dummy half/metres gained/hit ups. Give me an Andy Gregory pass to Mark Roberts, a Kevin Penny special, a dust up between Boyd and Sorenson, Michael Shenton gliding across a pitch, a Phil Blake chip and chase......THAT'S ENTERTAINMENT. not Russell running from acting half, instead of doing what a winger is supposed to do....beat men and score tries.
I blame Phil Larder.'"
Me and you are definitely on the same page here
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| Quote ="lefty goldblatt"This thread has become like Super League itself, not as good as when it first started, and obsessed with statistics..
Come on fellas, bickering over prop's metres per drive average is as dull as our constant scooting tactics.
Scooting is OK, but in moderation. Smith and Agar seem obsessed by it. We have one of the world's great No 7's in our ranks, yet he doesn't (to me) get his hands on the ball enough. Add to this, a rampaging No. 11, who's seen less balls than Anne Widdecombe, in the last few weeks. We've become dull. There, I've said it. dull, dull, dull, mind-numbingly dull. I don't want win at all costs, robotic rugby. I WANT TO BE ENTERTAINED. If that means losing games, and unfortunately a final, so be it. I don't want the Wigan attitude of "b0ll0cks to the fans, just make sure we get the two points/trophy".
Unfortunately, today's fan has morphed into a Top Trumps bore, who can recite which particular player had most runs from dummy half/metres gained/hit ups. Give me an Andy Gregory pass to Mark Roberts, a Kevin Penny special, a dust up between Boyd and Sorenson, Michael Shenton gliding across a pitch, a Phil Blake chip and chase......THAT'S ENTERTAINMENT. not Russell running from acting half, instead of doing what a winger is supposed to do....beat men and score tries.
I blame Phil Larder.'"
Thank God for lefty on this. He is right. Someone earlier in the thread even suggested Martin Offiah wouldn't be picked now as he wouldn't be able to smash it up from dummy half (I hope he wasn't being serious). I watched Alex Murphy (and honestly) something seemed to happen every time he touched the ball ... I wonder what his stats were??
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| Quote ="Smiffy27"Thank God for lefty on this. He is right. Someone earlier in the thread even suggested Martin Offiah wouldn't be picked now as he wouldn't be able to smash it up from dummy half (I hope he wasn't being serious). I watched Alex Murphy (and honestly) something seemed to happen every time he touched the ball ... I wonder what his stats were??'"
Lefty goldblatt..... the voice of reason
Seriously, we have talent, but we're just not using it. It's just metres, metres, metres. Why are we persisting in playing a loose forward, as an auxiliary prop? DULL. I want a LF to be on the fringes, looking for opportunities, not playing crash bang wallop rugby. Oh, hang on, the Aussies do it. Pish. I got one of those sticks recently, which enables me to watch the NRL.....I didn't last long. My Saturday morning insomnia was immediately cured.
With my England head on, we (as a game) seem obsessed with the bore fest that is the NRL. It's all about yardage and stats. We copy, but we can't beat them. Will we ever? Come November, why not just fling the ball about. We've not won a recognised tournament (with the Aussies involved) since 1972 FFS. They'll be laughing into their Foster's should we try and copy them.
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| Wingers > props metres gained > attendance.
FFS keep on topic!
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| Quote ="shinymcshine"Wingers > props metres gained > attendance.
FFS keep on topic!'"
Perhaps the thread title needs to be changed to Whingers?
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| Quote ="lefty goldblatt"This thread has become like Super League itself, not as good as when it first started, and obsessed with statistics..
Come on fellas, bickering over prop's metres per drive average is as dull as our constant scooting tactics.
Scooting is OK, but in moderation. Smith and Agar seem obsessed by it. We have one of the world's great No 7's in our ranks, yet he doesn't (to me) get his hands on the ball enough. Add to this, a rampaging No. 11, who's seen less balls than Anne Widdecombe, in the last few weeks. We've become dull. There, I've said it. dull, dull, dull, mind-numbingly dull. I don't want win at all costs, robotic rugby. I WANT TO BE ENTERTAINED. If that means losing games, and unfortunately a final, so be it. I don't want the Wigan attitude of "b0ll0cks to the fans, just make sure we get the two points/trophy".
Unfortunately, today's fan has morphed into a Top Trumps bore, who can recite which particular player had most runs from dummy half/metres gained/hit ups. Give me an Andy Gregory pass to Mark Roberts, a Kevin Penny special, a dust up between Boyd and Sorenson, Michael Shenton gliding across a pitch, a Phil Blake chip and chase......THAT'S ENTERTAINMENT. not Russell running from acting half, instead of doing what a winger is supposed to do....beat men and score tries.
I blame Phil Larder.'"
THIS ^^^
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| Is it possible that Cooper will play second row, with maybe Currie moving to the centres?
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| Quote ="zzhead"Is it possible that Cooper will play second row, with maybe Currie moving to the centres?'"
I don't think so ZZ. Coops is an out and out prop and we need him to make the hard yards alongside Hill. It will be interesting to see who TS puts on the bench next year, but surely Coops and Hill will start for us. That leaves Dodds, Cox, Bailey, Simms and Westwood as the bench replacements - surely too many for the squad to sustain so I would think somebody will have to go.
But we also have an emerging backrower in Jullien. If he kicks on in the off season then who knows, perhaps Currie might well switch. Personally I would like to see Jullien feature in a lot more games next year, he seems to have a good rugby brain and can cover BR and Centre.
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| Isn't Dodds on just a 12 month contract?
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| It's also worth noting that Sims played better as a second row than prop in NRL. Our problem is that we have an athletic and mobile back row in Currie, Hughes and Westerman who more often than not play the full 80. Prop seems to be the only position Sims can be guaranteed a game.
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| Quote ="Winslade's Offload"But we also have an emerging backrower in Jullien. If he kicks on in the off season then who knows, perhaps Currie might well switch. Personally I would like to see Jullien feature in a lot more games next year, he seems to have a good rugby brain and can cover BR and Centre.'"
He's looked a handful whenever he's played. Centre could well end up his position. He's fast, got a good pair of hands and can put a shot on. he's definitely got the right build for a centre.
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| Quote ="moving on..."He's looked a handful whenever he's played. Centre could well end up his position. He's fast, got a good pair of hands and can put a shot on. he's definitely got the right build for a centre.'"
I've seen him put good hits in but he looked a bit lost to me when he got played in centre. He has got something but he has an awful lot to work on for me in terms of reading the game, handling skills and positioning. I reckon he will come good (very good) but he needs games and for me is not as far progresses as some are suggesting.
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| Quote ="CW8"I've seen him put good hits in but he looked a bit lost to me when he got played in centre. He has got something but he has an awful lot to work on for me in terms of reading the game, handling skills and positioning. I reckon he will come good (very good) but he needs games and for me is not as far progresses as some are suggesting.'"
definitely has a lot to learn. Thank Christ Wire turned bandit, scrapped the old system and jumped back on board with the reserve grade rugby.
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| I think centre is a harder position to play than people realise, i think that's probably why Atkins frustrates me there, he just comes across as a backrower with speed.
Currie certainly has the brain for centre (until Westerman leaves) i would play him there. Currie will be a loose forward in time, and play in a similar role as Sculthorpe/Farrell/O'Loughlin did respectively.
I know defence wins games so this isn't a complaint but our pack is a defensive pack more than it is an offencive one.
The Moz/Wood/Carvell etc was very much more an attacking pack by and large.
Get KP back on the wing for Wakefield unless he's injured, cut our losses with Lineham, the lad has no work ethic, his head is in the clouds.
Mitch Dodds? How people have an opinion of a guy who was injured in his first? game for us, he could be another Keith Galloway for all we know.
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| You have signed Solomona for 2017. Winger situation well and truly addressed as far as you are concerned.
As for us, our board will continue to sell our best players and expect Powell to work miracles.
However, it won't be long before he is fed up, I'd predict Powell to replace Smith in the next couple of years.
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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger"You have signed Solomona for 2017. Winger situation well and truly addressed as far as you are concerned.
As for us, our board will continue to sell our best players and expect Powell to work miracles.
However, it won't be long before he is fed up, I'd predict Powell to replace Smith in the next couple of years.'"
This one feels as though it has got TS's hands all over it as Solomona can also play at FB and ? centre. Not sure about prop, perhaps he will have to bulk up for it.
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| Seriously not impressed on there are they, not that I blame them.
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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger"You have signed Solomona for 2017. Winger situation well and truly addressed as far as you are concerned.=#FF0000
As for us, our board will continue to sell our best players and expect Powell to work miracles.
However, it won't be long before he is fed up, I'd predict Powell to replace Smith in the next couple of years.'"
According to Ian Fulton the opposite is true.
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| Well that's that then, Brian Carney just said that he is not being sold end of.
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| Ironically Hull FC showing us how wingers should score tries.
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| Does it involve playing basic,no frills rugby ?
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| Can have the best wingers in the game but if don't have decent centres it's wasted money.
Rather than Solomona I think watkins would be the better option. I don't think we will give up on Lineham after one season but try to adapt to a style that will fit his strengths. Watkins can defend just as good as Evans but can break a line draw a defender in to create space unlike Evans.
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| I think we need to start wearing nicer kits like blue & pink or maybe spots.
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