Totally agree.

I think the likelihood is, he rocked up and was met with a load of stroppy players, who were trying to create as much aggro for their new boss as possible - When trying to be the willing new boy, prepared to put a shift in, he likely was then met with sulking fellas, telling him not to bother, and after a few weeks of that he's, rightly, told Powell it's an unworkable sh!+show.

To be honest, this just makes me more interested in seeing Powell's memoir in the future - I suspect there will be a number of former Wire players who won't come out of it particularly well, especially a certain leisurewear company entrepreneur...

But he was suffering/moping in silence. It took Powell to pull him to one side for him to whine that he didn't want to play.
No doubt he did walk into a horrible situation, but knowing he was there for about six months only you'd think he'd be professional enough to ignore the politics and just get on with the job and even try and instil some stability.

He said this ages ago multiple times, it's old news and not a surprise at all.

I suppose that is a more acceptable version of events for him to live with than “even with all the problems the team were facing I knew that Powell realised I wasn’t worth even a bench spot”

"Don't play me, I'm done". But still pay me until the end of the season please. What a great professional he is. Whatever comes out about the behaviour of some of our ex players last season, Amor isn't coming out of this with any credit either in my opinion.

Perhaps a great expose of what wins trophies & makes a successful club....the right attitude throughout the club from top to bottom.

It would be interesting to get Steve Price's take on what was happening with regards to the club culture/bad apples during his time in charge. Did Price not see the problems, or perhaps he didn't even regard them as being problems? If he did recognise them, did he try to do anything about it? I think it was brave of Powell to confront the issues to the extent that he did last season. It put the greater, long-term good of the club ahead of his own reputation, which took an absolute battering as the season unravelled. If we continue our upwards trend in 2023 and it leads to Powell restoring his reputation, I'll be pleased for him.

It was rumoured he was gone well before the end of the season

I cannot be doing with any player who does not want to pull on the shirt, and give 100%.

Which is why I actually respect Amor here. He could have gone through the motions (like many of last year's squad appeared to be doing) and instead was honest when asked by the coach.

Makes you wonder just how tough it must have been for Powell - how frustrating must it have been turning up at work knowing several of the players had no interest of being there and because of the way contracts work, not being able to do much about it?

Many of us questioned why players were being shipped out like they were. Its pretty obvious now the battles Powell was having with the lazy, entitled bunch he was burdened with.

That’s my take on it…

He was honest and couldn’t give the shirt the respect it deserves. If only a few more from that 2022 squad had the nerve to be honest.

For Amor to come in mid season and quickly sus that the situation in camp was bad suggests things were very bad and had been for a some time.

The leadership group have to take a lot of responsibility for that, but also in the KF interview last week he clearly said that if DP (and presumably KF) had the time again they'd have done things differently.
So there are issues all round that combined together to create a perfect storm.
It's not as simple as player x, coach y.

I can draw parallels with a point in my career.
We were a capable team who could typically be relied upon to deliver. A new manager was appointed who had little experience of our side of the business and when he came in rather than taking a little time to understand the job and people, he tried to teach us to suck eggs and got peoples backs up. So whilst we 'did the job', the atmosphere was poor and not many would 'go the extra mile'.
Was that the managers fault? Was than the fault of individuals within the team?
Both.
And I think that could well have been the situation last year - with the added complication that many knew they wouldn't be here next year.

I think Amor was probably just being honest, although it comes across poorly for all invovled, including Amor.

The Price years were not satisfying even though we won a cup. The style of rugby was really poor, and it all started out so positively with the win against (?) Brisbane.
A lot was down to Price I feel, but I do wonder whether he realised he was limited in what he could do, didn't recognise the situation or didn't want to / feel able to tackle the issues.

Wasn't Price a kind of panic signing of a manager when nobody better was available ?

In truth ,though, the club had been in decline since the first few years of Tony Smith's tenancy. Maybe the homegrown roster of players should have been blitzed before it encouraged Smith to walk the plank .

Not sure, but we often bemoan the fact we don't have many home town players coming through, or established in the first team, and when we do then sometimes they are viewed as being bigger than the club.

Either way, not sure.

All this reflects pretty badly on Amor. Powell asked him to come in and add some experience and leadership to the group which he knew full well were struggling. I think I recall he got injured early on and only made a few appearances after that making minimal contribution and then asks to put youngsters in as he didn’t fancy it. Not very professional and clearly let Powell down when he needed strong support in a very difficult situation.
We’ll best of luck at Widnes….hope they are not relying on him too much. Looking forward to his punditry and comments next time we are on TV when Vaughan, Harrison, McGuire and Bullock show him how it should be done.

Your analogy collapses immediately, simply because the team in question here were a bunch of underachievers, with a record of failure and proven regularly to be far from capable.

I understand your point, but we sometimes hold professional sportsman to a higher standard than those in other professions.
Only a select band can win trophies and we had that - whilst not being at the same level as Saints, Wigan or Leeds in the last decade.

We had a team that had failed miserably for 3 years, but apart from that.....

We were knocked out of the play-offs at home for 3 consecutive years.

The teams that beat us were neither Saints, Wigan nor Leeds.

It's been a right old mixed bag but definitely a downward trend since we beat Saints at Wembley in 2019.

2016 - GF runners up, Challenge cup runners up.
2017 - In the middle 8s.
2018 - GF runners up, Challenge cup runners up.
2019 - out of playoffs at first round, Challenge cup win
2020 - out of playoffs at first round
2021 - out of playoffs at first round
2022 - didn't make playoffs, one place off relegation.

It's been a tough time and I can't help feeling the problems had been coming a long time - which is strange as Price knew what footy team he had all the way through

Crap player, crap pundit. Who cares what he says?

Add a comment to the 'pundits' thread and perhaps put a name forward for someone you rate?

i've no problem with what amor said, its only because he's an ex saints player, and because he's saying it now, when we're playing well that ppl are getting their back up.

There were rumours around last year that he'd walked out/been pushed out after calling our squad ridiculous and unprofessional, if he'd come out and said this last year, when we were all thinking that, no one would have a problem with it.

I agree only to a point. Walking out of a bad environment is more honest than staying put and refusing to play, which is what is being suggested here.

I won't pretend being an ex Saints player gives him a rosy tint in my eyes, but I did think that by any measure he came across as very bitter in his commentary last week and mickeyed off when we came back.

Poor Kyle's Widnes took a hiding off League 1 Dewsbury today, so perhaps another side he has given up playing for.