When you support and watch the untreated excrement I do, I find it quite comical listening to you lot moaning about anything, I mean come on, do you really think you'll go down when there are teams like Widnes, Catalans in the mix. PS you can keep the giraffe necked snake tho'.

Briers would be in my plans... just not as head coach.

john kear until end of season

Could be a mercy appointment, considering his current employers will be in the play offs. It'll be good to help out the smaller teams.

It's quite conceivable, maybe not in your world of course, that the people saying those things - try and get your head around this for a minute if you can - are actually not the same people

You're missing the point. We haven't won anything else, anything new. There hasn't been progress.

Wire fans don't demand or expect successful seasons....we've endured mediocrity season after season with sporadic dominance.
However we won't put up with the puss taken out of us. Effort must be 100%, we will take the losses graciously...
The issue is...how many dare hold their hand up and say "I gave 100%"?

that is the long and short of it 100% bang on well said

Well said.

I couldn't care less anymore.. bought a season ticket for 4 of this year for the first time... That won't be happening again.. I'll get the kids one, but no way am I ever being locked into this scenario ever again.
If we were at least trying to score, i.e. Wigan.. I could handle it... But it's bordering on match fixing to get the coach sacked...
I heard a rumour at half time at the first home game vs Castleford that We were looking at bringing Craig Bellamy in from Australia next year... If that does happen... This whole mess will make sense at least.

No chance.... Bellamy Signed a contract till the end of next season.
Signing him for 2019 season would be a more likely option (assuming we are still in superleague).


Cronk will leave at the end of this season and you would think Cameron Smith and Billy Slater will consider retiring at the end of the 2018 season as both would be 35 midway through that following season.

would Bellamy want to stay at Melbourne without Cronk Slater and Smith. it would be brave....

Perhaps Tony & Rich would fit in well advising the PM at no 10.

After yesterday's printing money exercise of - 14 at evens on Castleford. This week's appears to be Wigan - 4 at 10/11

Is it just me but I'm kind of enjoying this season. I cant really put my finger on it but its probably the intrigue and the change from the norm that's appealing. Ok we may go down but I don't think we're a financial nut job and so we'll survive and return. It's a big dipper ride and its more exciting than a carousel.

Are you suffering from Stockholm syndrome?

How much did you win?

Only £30, would've been more, but had £10 on -31.5 too Which was looking good after 43 minutes

I think it is fair to say that things have not been right at the Wire since Old Trafford against Wigan in 2013. Hodgson was not played & it seems that things have not been smooth with player unrest surfacing at times.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing but i think that was when we started on the slippery slope to where we are now.

^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^

I've been as guilty as most in thinking the decline from 2013 was just a blip as we rebuilt. But in all honesty last year we weren't outstanding just good in a bad quality league that year. And we didn't have the mentality required to grind out the wins when needed in the finals.

We are in real danger of losing our top flight status and we should have fixed this with the right coaching replacements earlier rather than later. I won't pretend to know who that is, but the form of the teams around us (even Leigh and Widnes) is evidence that we are sliding further in confidence and ability with each heavy loss.

We need a fresh start immediately. I know it won't happen though, the board will allow Smith and the old boys a season in the lower leagues to address our failings, and unfortunately our few genuinely world-class players will be free agents by then.

Crazy conspiracy theories [cct....?
(Not what I believe to be case) bit I'm fed up listening to TS justification postmatch talk.

[cct#1 That dream that someone is on railway line and you dash in to pull them to safety in the nic of time)...ego TS saves the club from relegation in the nic of time...the Hero.

[cct#2 senior players want Agar or TS and Agar out, and have conspired to purposesly mess up every attack play on tackle 5, and to be slow to slide a defence as to let tries in out wide....over and over.

[cct#3 senior players want themselves out of the club do they can cash in on better deals under the dozens of vacant marquee positions around SL. So have conspired to get their 'current lousy contracts' cancelled with relegation.

[cct#4 the board don't actually care anymore!.... {this one has some substantial to it}

Feel free to add any others if you wish.

[cc#5 A player "playing hide the sausage" with another players partner?

I can't dispute that things have been on the slide since then, people seem to dismiss 2014 as being bad but we were one score away from getting to the gf at wigan, that seems to have been eclipsed by 2015 being fooking dreadful.
I recall us being average that year, choked in the cup semi and struggled with a cobbled together pack.

I would equate that to 06, when we got a couple if big wins at Bradford and wigan, and our first play off win, but it papered over a huge amount of cracks

Could Moran have got "bored" with the pet project?

Pet project, lol