He has done nothing. That's why he is not picked.

Nothing like a narrow defeat against one of the league's better teams to provoke a total overreaction among our fans. Yes, I thought we were very poor. We had opportunity after opportunity and just seemed to waste them as we have on a number of occasions this year. For me Ratch isn't a full back, Russell isn't a winger and Kevin Penny is basically Brian Bevan compared to what was on the wing last night. The answer is quite simple for me and I wonder if TS doesn't want to make a tough call rather than leave out an easy target (who has had an excellent season by the way).

To have people calling for TS to leave (albeit only one I think) and saying that we won't win anything is nuts. Nearly every single time we lose any game people say this - it's bizarre!

We played exactly the same against Wigan in our last game and won 23 - 4. You came up against a smarter side and it was Gidley and Sandow who were poor and not about sinking levels, you always play scared against Saints at your place.

100% this, I couldn't believe some of the tripe I was reading last night, I hate losing as much as anyone but last night was well OTT, we are by no means out of the play offs I don't care we're we come as long as it's in the four. If your in you still have a chance.

I think we were very unlucky not to win last night. I didn't expect us to play much better than we did after 5 day turn around etc....and Saints won more on luck not skill. A 2 point penalty for a push might not have been given by another ref. Evans try had we not been on sky would have been a winner as it was sent up as one.
There's a curse at HJ when we play Saints, they always get the rub of the green.

Only seems to be out coached on home soil. We don't seem to have a problem away from home.

Just remember, last night we hardly looked interested for 60 minutes, whereas Saints genuinely gave everything they had. They celebrated like it was a GF win. Team photo underneath the sticks and everything. What's all that about? I'm pretty confident we'll play them in the semi final and they'll get what's coming to them.

The arrogance of that club if by far worse than Wigan or Leeds. And they take some beating.

I have to admit that last night I was as angry as an angry angry Anderson!!! To keep getting beat by Pound land Jack Black and Bog Eyed Bill irritates me to my wits end. Our problems (for me) lie in the total lack of pace. Evans is not the answer on the wing he is shocking in defence of his position, however as a centre he still lacks pace but boy can he defend! TS has been put in an awkward place by the antics of Penny and Lineham off field and as such is making them pay, but it leaves the team sadly lacking any pace out wide. On another note we mainly tackled one out last night, which is not what our opponents did, we never hunted, they did!

LMS is getting a bad name presently for his antics, he had no business attacking Hughes and as such that should have been our penalty. His enthusiasm is great to see particularly when we don't show the same and if we did we would have beaten them last night and others over the season.

One last point, where was the creativity from the halves? Yet another game goes by with the total absence of an end of set kicking game

I think we just need to let last nights result pass without getting to emotional about it. The boys have had to turn around in 5 days and try and come down from the emotional high of last Saturday.

Granted we were crap last night and most of the things we tried ended up on the floor. But at the end of the day we lost by 2 points and only failed to win by a few blades of grass. I am confident that if we ever meet saints again in the final four, we will give them a good hiding. We also need to address the wing positions as at the moment Toby and Rhys on the right edge are not working. Toby is not ready yet and Rhys is a centre trying to fill in.

Note to Chris Hill: What were you thinking Pal!!

not good..but not as bad as some people are suggesting. Move on. When is Dodds going to be fit? We need some weight back in the pack.

He was asked the same question last night & he said he should be fit to play in 2 months

I thought he was only a few weeks away? Sure Tony said a couple of weeks ago, that Dodds was 4-5 weeks off?

I am not normally one to comment on referees but last night Benthams disregard for being square at marker ruined our biggest threats in Russell and Clark. Saints were barely square once and he never pinged them once!

Thought the packs cancelled each other out but our halves were pretty poor and our backline outshone by a very average saints backline

Last night should have been our best chance for years to beat Saints at home ,but they have improved massively in the last few games since i watched them against Widnes & they certainly came to spoil our party.
Not mentioning the apparent lack of the application of the offside rule to Saints, they really beat us with basic rugby, fast play the ball & players supporting the ball carrier so any player could throw passes with confidence knowing a man was on his shoulder. LMS as a dummy runner for the last try was sublime & Luke Walsh controlled the game with his kicking.
On the other hand, once more we seemed to be throwing wild passes with abandon ,allowing too much ball to go to ground & allowing an opponent to make too much yardage on sets of six. We really need to work on a plan to score tries from close quarters instead of just being good at scoring from 30 yards out.

We can be too predictable and need more variety on attack against better teams. Toby King has always played on the left. Evans is a centre and Sandow needs to contribute far more over 80 minutes.

Irony?...do you want set positions or variety?

Nothing to do with positions. Older guy said to me last night we play the "Yorkshire Way"i.e Too much up the middle. Like Wigan we don't seem to have a Plan B.

thats a laugh..baldy bentham gave wire 3 penalties in 2 minutes in our 20 metre area leading to hughe's try..then the fiasco for your last try that was dissalowed baldy gave it as a try till the video ref saw he was in touch!

i cant recall wigan putting 50 on us two weeks ago at their place..in fact i think we beat em 23---4 didnt we?...what an embarassing post this is to the rest of the genuine wire supporters..biggest bunch of sour grapes post ive read!

If that's the case I don't see any point in why we have kept him around, season is over by time he is fit on that basis and he as said he will be going home only wanting one season over here.

I'm not sure where you are getting the "feel any better in defeat" from, Mr Albion. I said before the game kicked off that I wasn't confident about the win, so it wasn't a surprise to me that we lost, considering our record against Saints at the HJ and each teams turnaround from their last game.

I would have been more surprised had Rhys' try been given and we'd have won the game. What I stated in my post was how I saw the game. If someone else saw it differently, then that's up to them.

You obviously fail to grasp the concept of my post, but with you being a St Helens fan that is understandable I suppose.

It is called "evening up the penalty count". It has been done plenty of times in games.



So you expect Bentham to say no try? He made a live decision based on what he saw; if anybody should have said something it was the touch judge Mike Woodhead, he was the closest official to the incident. If Bentham saw that Evan's foot was in touch, he must have the greatest vision in the world.

However going off his performance last night, he most definitely does not......

Just adding my two penneth!!

I honestly didn't see too much wrong with the game last night, a couple of blades of grass stopped Evans scoring in the last few minutes and had Hilly managed to stretch out a bit further within the first ten mins then his try would have been awarded. I cant remember who, but there was a kick in goal in the first half that bounced around, landed in one of our players hands but was the spilled.......had he held onto it it was another try. We made good ground and had most of the possession and territory against a fresh, in form, saints side. Not bad given our last game was 5 days earlier and theirs was 13 days earlier.

Yes we spilled balls, and the running was off but we could still have won. I'm also not having this Saints are crap thats being spouted around, they are a form team at the mo who scraped a win against a Warrington side who has barely had chance to breathe since their last game.......

Says more about Saints than us I reckon.

Our problems this season, summed up in one soundbite.

We just seem (at times) like that unfunny Catherine Tate character......am I bothered?
When we look interested, we're comfortably the best team in the league. Such a pity seem to have the attention span of a schoolkid in his 3Rd detention of the week.

At last somebody is talking sense. I just can't believe some of the earlier posts calling for T'S to be sacked etc. I can only assume these individuals are perfect and expect the same standards from all lesser beings.