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| Quote ="Captain Hook"A mistake laden but compelling contest in my view. Never knew what was going to happen next. Harsh to criticise the players on such a short turn around.
Charnley has reverted to boogering around in the tackle which really annoys me. Toby King still some way off his best.
I’m not sure what the call should have been on the Charnley 2 nd try. My gut feeling was he didn’t ground the ball, BUT that =#FF0000Dwyer stole the ball in the tackle with more than one player involved. I suspect that would then have been a penalty try but Sky were noticeably shy about that issue!
The Newman try was class, but perhaps a little early to deify him.
Akouala putting in his usual stint…
Cooper put in a real shift and Ratchford showing again that full back is his natural position. Danny Walker could and probably should have been brought on earlier.
A win without really clicking.
I still think this is the game for me!'"
No, you can steal the ball in the tackle over the try line. However I think Dwyer then went into touch so it would have been Wire ball. |
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| Quote ="Smiffy27"Sorry of course it is my opinion. But why oh why do you keep watching if it is giving you no pleasure? There are other things to do. Stop watching, stop moaning on this forum there is new world out there for you.'"
It's probably a lifetime, emotional connection to the club, same that goes for why most sports fans follow their teams through thick and thin, that keeps me watching. Certainly, if last night's game hadn't involved Wire, I'd have switched off about 20 minutes in.
Like I say, if you find mistake-athons entertaining, then fill your boots, I just find it a frustrating and, eventually, tedious watch. Yes, I know sport is unpredictable and not every game can, or will be, a classic, but I think too many RL games are now error strewn affairs and badly officiated, and that can't be good for the long term future of the game. |
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"No, you can steal the ball in the tackle over the try line. However I think Dwyer then went into touch so it would have been Wire ball.'"
Really?... that's an odd rule then. So Dwyer could have ran the length of the field and scored last night, but another yard down field and it would be a penalty to Wire??
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Thanks RG, at the back of my mind I thought there was something “special” about the in goal area but I couldn’t remember.
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| Quote ="Dita's Slot Meter"It's probably a lifetime, emotional connection to the club, same that goes for why most sports fans follow their teams through thick and thin, that keeps me watching. Certainly, if last night's game hadn't involved Wire, I'd have switched off about 20 minutes in.
Like I say, if you find mistake-athons entertaining, then fill your boots, I just find it a frustrating and, eventually, tedious watch. Yes, I know sport is unpredictable and not every game can, or will be, a classic, but I think too many RL games are now error strewn affairs and badly officiated, and that can't be good for the long term future of the game.'"
Did you play much? Cos I reckon those who played or coached tend to have a bit more sympathy ... everybody who has played has dropped the ball and missed a tackle even when they are trying like hell ... unless of course you are Garry Schofield. |
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"No, you can steal the ball in the tackle over the try line. However I think Dwyer then went into touch so it would have been Wire ball.'"
I believe the correct restart would be a penalty to the attacking team if it was deemed a ball steal? But as you mention, the penalty try awarded for a ball steal was dropped some time ago. |
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| Quote ="Alffi_7"I believe the correct restart would be a penalty to the attacking team if it was deemed a ball steal? But as you mention, the penalty try awarded for a ball steal was dropped some time ago.'"
Yeah that's right.
It happened right in front of us and in real time you give a try everyday of the week. Hence it goes up to the video ref as a try. Rules are the video ref then has to have conclusive proof that it wasn't a try to overturn the decision. I watched it back last night and there is no conclusive proof as the ball disappears from sight with players falling down on it. Even now on balance having seen it live and then on video I'd say its likely to have been grounded in the initial dropping to the deck. Just because Dwyer gets up with ball in his hands means nothing. |
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I'm on a tour of the Portugese Sherry Vineyards at the moment to top up supplies which took a hammering during the cup semi, so I had to listen in on GMR.
First off, great two points and nice to see Williams get the winning kick - he's done us to death a few times with his boot so nice to be on the right side.
However, the team is really making it hard for themselves. Yes, mitigating circumstances last night with a short turnaround but our first half completion rate in the first half of the Wigan game was equally poor.
We need to establish a platform before we start offload-a-thons and risky passes though with the talent in that team, when it comes off they look great. Powell will be salivating.
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| Quote ="morrisseyisawire"I'm on a tour of the Portugese Sherry Vineyards at the moment to top up supplies which took a hammering during the cup semi, so I had to listen in on GMR.
First off, great two points and nice to see Williams get the winning kick - he's done us to death a few times with his boot so nice to be on the right side.
However, the team is really making it hard for themselves. Yes, mitigating circumstances last night with a short turnaround but our first half completion rate in the first half of the Wigan game was equally poor.
We need to establish a platform before we start offload-a-thons and risky passes though with the talent in that team, when it comes off they look great. Powell will be salivating.'"
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Take away the I've gotta try or no try from the refs and let the guy upstairs make a decision..
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Yep our completion rate is a real worry. Some of our passing was at best "optimistic". But this Leeds side isn't bad ... so a good one to win.
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Beaten Saints away, Wigan away, Catalans away, Leeds away and drew with Hull (before their standard mid-season implosion)......that's not bad going, especially when there is a lot of room for improvement.
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I personally enjoyed the game. 2 teams backing up after 72 hours or so put on a great display with a finish that you talk about long after. 2 awesome wins wire within a few days of each other. Ignore the doom mongers and carry on building form.
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Struggled with their middles again first half.
Weirdly at one point in the 2nd qe had mulhern davis and longstaff as our middle 3 before Hughes got shifted to middle of the field.
Williams needs some decent direct runners outside him,
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The Leeds middles are good & Mikolaj Oledzki is right handful ... best prop around I reckon.
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He's come on a lot, I thought he was like bambi on ice 2 seasons ago, combined with holroyd and prior, all similar stature, very leggy.
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As an aside Walker's try should've been an 8 point one, grubby Gale goes flying in with his foot....naughty.
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| Quote ="Smiffy27"The Leeds middles are good & Mikolaj Oledzki is right handful ... best prop around I reckon.'"
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| Quote ="Alffi_7"I believe the correct restart would be a penalty to the attacking team if it was deemed a ball steal? But as you mention, the penalty try awarded for a ball steal was dropped some time ago.'"
I just checked with a refereeing friend of mine. This was his reply.
"The ball is stolen in the act of scoring which is fine under the new rule changes so would be play on. Then Dwyer goes in touch so it would be a Warrington lateral turnover 10 metres out from the tryline. They could choose to play the ball 10m in, 20m in or halfway." |
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Still feeling quite positive today. Those saying we need to respect the ball and build pressure are right; in the first half we did lots of daft things and were trying to score off every pass, even in our own half.
After the break, and especially after we went 26-20 down, we played a more sensible game with the ball and showed confidence in our ability to break them down in the middle. Warrington teams of recent memory start lobbing the ball around like wannabe Harlem Globetrotters: we didn't, and we took our chances when they came.
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Quote ="Rogues Gallery"I just checked with a refereeing friend of mine. This was his reply.
"The ball is stolen in the act of scoring which is fine under the new rule changes so would be play on. Then Dwyer goes in touch so it would be a Warrington lateral turnover 10 metres out from the tryline. They could choose to play the ball 10m in, 20m in or halfway."'"
Are we trusting your referee friend to make the right decision here  . Would it be play on because there was only one in the tackle? Or is any ball strip in the in-goal area allowed? I honestly can't remember whether Dwyer was the only player in contact at the time or not - I thought there were more involved.
Would seem strange if a strip was allowed as part of a group tackle behind the line but not anywhere else.
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Quote 2. Ball Steal - The ball can be stolen from the player in possession at any stage prior to a tackle being completed and when there is only one defender effecting the tackle.
If there are two or more defenders effecting the tackle and the ball is stolen a penalty should be awarded except if the player in possession is attempting to ground the ball for a try.
(note – this changes the previous situation whereby a defender would be penalised for stealing the ball if other defenders had been involved in the tackle then dropped off)'"
Seems madness to me to allow a ball steal in a group tackle behind the try line, why should there be any difference? Not sure what the rule is trying to achieve.I can understand the rule saying no penalty try for a ball steal - its sometimes difficult to find where the fault lies, especially when a player is trying to ground a ball and the defender wrestling the ball to prevent a grounding, but for it not to be penalised seems strange |
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Quote ="Rogues Gallery"I just checked with a refereeing friend of mine. This was his reply.
"The ball is stolen in the act of scoring which is fine under the new rule changes so would be play on. Then Dwyer goes in touch so it would be a Warrington lateral turnover 10 metres out from the tryline. They could choose to play the ball 10m in, 20m in or halfway."'"
Are we trusting your referee friend to make the right decision here . Would it be play on because there was only one in the tackle? Or is any ball strip in the in-goal area allowed? I honestly can't remember whether Dwyer was the only player in contact at the time or not - I thought there were more involved.
Would seem strange if a strip was allowed as part of a group tackle behind the line but not anywhere else.
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Quote 2. Ball Steal - The ball can be stolen from the player in possession at any stage prior to a tackle being completed and when there is only one defender effecting the tackle.
If there are two or more defenders effecting the tackle and the ball is stolen a penalty should be awarded except if the player in possession is attempting to ground the ball for a try.
(note – this changes the previous situation whereby a defender would be penalised for stealing the ball if other defenders had been involved in the tackle then dropped off)'"
Seems madness to me to allow a ball steal in a group tackle behind the try line, why should there be any difference? Not sure what the rule is trying to achieve.I can understand the rule saying no penalty try for a ball steal - its sometimes difficult to find where the fault lies, especially when a player is trying to ground a ball and the defender wrestling the ball to prevent a grounding, but for it not to be penalised seems strange | |
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I'd assume (the ball steal when over the line) is more to do with the defender being able to make a play at preventing the ball being grounded, which we often see, but then also ensures the attacker doesn't surrender the ball in order to get the penalty..
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"I just checked with a refereeing friend of mine. This was his reply.
"The ball is stolen in the act of scoring which is fine under the new rule changes so would be play on. Then Dwyer goes in touch so it would be a Warrington lateral turnover 10 metres out from the tryline. They could choose to play the ball 10m in, 20m in or halfway."'"
Surely the question relevant to last night is what happens if Dwyer steals the ball four on one after the ball is grounded by Charnley.
Answer - a try is awarded and Dwyer throws his arms up in the air and stamps the ground like a spoilt four year old. |
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| Quote ="shinymcshine"I'd assume (the ball steal when over the line) is more to do with the defender being able to make a play at preventing the ball being grounded, which we often see, but then also ensures the attacker doesn't surrender the ball in order to get the penalty..'"
That's up to the referee to determine what is a genuine strip and what is an attacking player releasing the ball - just as they do in general play?
The defender also wraps the ball up in the field of play to prevent an offload, I'm struggling to see why there needs to be a different rule tbh. |
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. Would it be play on because there was only one in the tackle? Or is any ball strip in the in-goal area allowed? I honestly can't remember whether Dwyer was the only player in contact at the time or not - I thought there were more involved.
