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| Quote ="Captain Hook"PS i actually rate our win against Saints as a bigger upset than Catalans against us!'"
Yep
Especially with the half backs we had.
Hughes with his problems down under.
How badly we had been prior to the game.
It is no wonder we enjoyed it.
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| All a bit off topic and apologies for my part in it but although we weren't 'robbed' so no complaint from me but I thought that we'd definitely done enough to beat Hull FC. The agony and the ecstasy of sport.
The daft thing about the Catalans game is that we all enjoyed and witnessed first hand the way that they blitzed Saints in the semi and yet seemed to be taken by surprise by their fast start.
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| I'm coming to the conclusion that generally generalisations are too general to be of much much use.
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| Generally speaking.
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| Quote ="Uncle Rico"
The daft thing about the Catalans game is that we all enjoyed and witnessed first hand the way that they blitzed Saints in the semi and yet seemed to be taken by surprise by their fast start.'"
Very true. I remember saying at the time that we'll probably know who the winner will be after 10 minutes. It was obvious.
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| Quote ="The Biffs Back"As an outsider looking in, I have always thought that you guys have always had the ability to win the big games and during your best seasons of around 2009 to 2013 (ish) you were sensational to watch and were easily the best side in SL at the time.
Your reward for this supremacy was that you (only) won 3 Challenge Cup finals and 2 league leader shields and In 2 of those Challenge Cup finals you really stuffed the Rhinos
But you should have won at least a couple of Grand Finals due to your dominance at that time.
IMO you have always lacked the mental toughness required to win the really big games that matter like Grand Finals and have now lost on 4 occasions
In 2012 Wolves beat the Rhinos 35-18 in the Challenge Cup Final
Rhinos however avenged this defeat and after qualifying in the lowest play off position of 5th for the second year in succession they peaked and won the Grand Final against Wolves 26-18
Your 2013 Grand Final loss to Wigan was unbelievable
Wolves were 14 points up at one stage in the first half but Wigan scored 28 unanswered point to win 30-16
IMO you need a Coach that can bring the Wolves club that mental toughness culture required in order to be able to win when it is required and very often against all of the odds too
I would appoint Brian McDermott as your next coach if I had the choice
It might not be popular on here with you fans.
But he will deliver a GF win during his tenure IMO'"
give them lowes as well
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| Quote ="doc-rhino"give them lowes as well'"
Well we already have Paul Anderson, why not add Peacock too, and McNamara?
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| Quote ="sally cinnamon"Well we already have Paul Anderson, why not add Peacock too, and McNamara?'"
I don’t know much about their coach but he seems to be doing a half decent job, maybe we should look at him?
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| I didn't realise there was such a big connection with the Bradford team of the late 90"s and early 2000's but now you mention it.
So players were Parker, Johnson, Reardon, Forshaw and Logan Swann. Then Lowes and Anderson on the coaching set up. Did Henderson play for them as well or was that his brother.
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| Quote ="Smiffy27"We always have big debates about our choice of subs.
Most prior to a game demand 4 forwards. e.g. on our last game v Hull. When Price got so much stick for picking a back on the bench.
This game v Wigan was one example where we would have loved to have had a back to come on after Monaghan & Ratchford went off.'"
If down to me, start 3 props and bench of 2 props one mobile prop/back rower/utility like Davis and one utility back like Mamo. No hooker bollox interchange. No place for Ashton unless he comes straight in for an injured 1,2,5.
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| You’ve made me think RD. Maybe we should look at using a sub as a potential game breaker rather than just to maintain the status quo. Someone with the scorching pace of Ashton could turn a game on its head. I appreciate this is not the way subs are used, but maybe we should consider it?
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| Quote ="Deus Dat Incrementum"I didn't realise there was such a big connection with the Bradford team of the late 90"s and early 2000's but now you mention it.
So players were Parker, Johnson, Reardon, Forshaw and Logan Swann. Then Lowes and Anderson on the coaching set up. Did Henderson play for them as well or was that his brother.'"
Chris Bridge signed from Bradford as well. Great servant for us.
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| Quote ="Captain Hook"You’ve made me think RD. Maybe we should look at using a sub as a potential game breaker rather than just to maintain the status quo. Someone with the scorching pace of Ashton could turn a game on its head. I appreciate this is not the way subs are used, but maybe we should consider it?'"
Ashton is still raw. Mamo isn’t so far off his pace either....but Mano will give you quality utility cover at 1,2,3,4,5 and perhaps 9,13 if backed against a wall. However if Ratchford was injured ahead of a game I’d go Ashton in at 1 and Mamo still starting on the bench because his utility is far greater scope than Ashton.
No issue about Ashton being a possible game changer, but I don’t see him offering enough to forfeit 3/4 cover and having to bring a winger to play centre, just to play Ashton on the wing. That requires double disruption opposed to a simple like for like swap that Mamo offers.
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| Listening to Richie Mathers talk on Pricey’s pending departure, he gave the impression that he was to be replaced anyway, citing another barren season and brand of 5 drives and a kick attack as bases for this apparent mutualism. Kirkpatrick being more mutual that most.
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"Listening to Richie Mathers talk on Pricey’s pending departure, he gave the impression that he was to be replaced anyway, citing another barren season and brand of 5 drives and a kick attack as bases for this apparent mutualism. Kirkpatrick being more mutual that most.'"
If that’s the case then our recruitment of his successor must be in line with that thinking. Wane, Bennett, Bellamy (unlikely anyway) etc. can be discounted immediately if you don’t want ‘percentage style’.
Realistically, most Aussie coaches favour that approach. The Walker brothers are making a splash with their fresh approach, they could be outside candidates. Unless Trent Robinson or Ivan Cleary become available, I can see a pretty average candidate pool if you don’t want that style of coach.
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"Listening to Richie Mathers talk on Pricey’s pending departure, he gave the impression that he was to be replaced anyway, citing another barren season and brand of 5 drives and a kick attack as bases for this apparent mutualism. Kirkpatrick being more mutual that most.'"
What’s that on?
Yeah he’s not thick Price. Knew his contract wasn’t getting renewed so got in there first and now has a free hit really this year.
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| Quote ="Lord Tony Smith"Chris Bridge signed from Bradford as well. Great servant for us.'"
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| Quote ="Captain Hook"You’ve made me think RD. Maybe we should look at using a sub as a potential game breaker rather than just to maintain the status quo. Someone with the scorching pace of Ashton could turn a game on its head. I appreciate this is not the way subs are used, but maybe we should consider it?'"
Didn't Price try that, but then just left Mamo on the bench for 78 minutes......
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| Quote ="shinymcshine"Didn't Price try that, but then just left Mamo on the bench for 78 minutes......'"
I would call for slightly more than 2 minutes to turn a game on its head. I suppose the problem with this approach is how it impacts on rotation.
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| Very surprised to see this announcement being done this way.
We aren't mid season, he should just go now.... walk away with his held held high and with people shaking him by the hand.
give someone the job on a temp basis, while the club has a look around.
All that we are doing now, is waiting for the first few poor results before a good lynching and him being removed anyway.
The players are hardly going to be fired up going into the new season, with a coach who is on the beach.
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| Quote ="shinymcshine"Enigmatic, rudderless (no-one seemed to know best to play him) and rather injury prone from 2005-2009, then unstoppable/brilliant for a few seasons from then onwards. Anyway that's my lasting impression, don't know if the stats collaborate, but I though he was fantastic for a good few seasons after a rather flaky start.'"
poor halfback, very good centre.
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| Quote ="morleys_deckchair"Very surprised to see this announcement being done this way.
We aren't mid season, he should just go now.... walk away with his held held high and with people shaking him by the hand.
give someone the job on a temp basis, while the club has a look around.
All that we are doing now, is waiting for the first few poor results before a good lynching and him being removed anyway.
The players are hardly going to be fired up going into the new season, with a coach who is on the beach.'"
We are all different. I see no problem.
Players will be fine. Club knows where it stands. It gives us time to make appointment. All good.
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| Quote ="Barbed Wire"If that’s the case then our recruitment of his successor must be in line with that thinking. Wane, Bennett, Bellamy (unlikely anyway) etc. can be discounted immediately if you don’t want ‘percentage style’.
Realistically, most Aussie coaches favour that approach. The Walker brothers are making a splash with their fresh approach, they could be outside candidates. Unless Trent Robinson or Ivan Cleary become available, I can see a pretty average candidate pool if you don’t want that style of coach.'"
I’ve been impressed with Trent Robinson’s coaching for years. Knows just about how long to stay at a club too. Not a fan of the Aussie coaches but TR fits the peg hole at Wire. Count on 2 fingers who’d I’d have as Wire, and he’d be one of them.
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"I’ve been impressed with Trent Robinson’s coaching for years. Knows just about how long to stay at a club too. Not a fan of the Aussie coaches but TR fits the peg hole at Wire. Count on 2 fingers who’d I’d have as Wire, and he’d be one of them.'"
Who'd be the other one?
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"I’ve been impressed with Trent Robinson’s coaching for years. Knows just about how long to stay at a club too. Not a fan of the Aussie coaches but TR fits the peg hole at Wire. Count on 2 fingers who’d I’d have as Wire, and he’d be one of them.'"
Trent Robinson is a fantastic coach, but when your the head coach at the Roosters then you don't really want to leave that role when the club is doing so well, it's also one of the big glamour clubs in the NRL that can always attract the best players to sign for them
If the Roosters have a fully fit squad during 2021 then they will be very strong candidates to win yet another GF
I cant see Robinson back in SL for quite a few years yet Duckie unfortunately
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