You sound like one of those bitter Saints fans. They've been saying that last 5-6 years but choke every year!

We did lose that game in the first twenty minutes. Over-expansive offloads, not respecting posession, no field position, no pressure. Leeds are a good side and you can't just keep inviting them to attack you by handing them the ball. Both these teams will get better as the season progresses. I do agree about Trent Waterhouse, however - I think he's been under par so far this year. A few good things, but he suffers by comparison to Louis Anderson to date.

Your two victories against us last year were irrelevant as it turned out!

Leeds have a long and consistent record of winning the Championship so it will take many years for Warrington to try and match this record. But it is good for the game to have some new competition and it is also good that both teams try to win with an attractive attacking style. We should be applauding both teams.

The conditions conspired to prevent a classic last night and were a cause for some of the mistakes. It will be interesting if on their next meeting the ground is dry and firm.

Last season when you beat us in the league we had quite a few injuries to key players, yet when it mattered and we had them back we beat you. This is a different season to last, don't know how you can just assume you are better than us already.

Genuine question...how many of your key pivot players played in those games?...Sinfield, Mcguire, Burrow, Buderus, Webb?

I don't think a team can be anywhere near its best if a few of these players are missing.

For us the key pivots are Briers, Monaghan, Hodgson...and to a slightly lesser extent Grix, Myler and Bridge.

Precisely.....You lot won the end of season Cup competition that decides the champions, we won the 6 month tournament that decides the best team over the course of a season.

Considering we were missing Michael Monaghan, Brett Hodgson and Chris Bridge i was happy that we could get within 8pts of Leeds on their own ground, also we lost Ratchford during the game and Carvell didn't know what day it was for 10-20 mins.

The thing thats dissapointing of late is the number of unforced errors in the last 2 games, yeh the conditions havn't been ideal but quite a few of those errors were just simple dropped ball, also a few fumbles in defence near our own line. You can't keep turning over posession like that to any side.

Its going to be wet in the play-offs at the end of the year so we need to learn how to adapt better .

Ok, fair point. Why don't we swap our Superleague trophy for your hubcap. Mmm, maybe not. Alright, you were (morally speaking) the SL champions last season. There, is that better for you?

Don't fall for the market men's trap of bigging up a cup competition. The media give it big licks for the cup. Leeds finished 13 point behind warrington last season, despite what the media present, warrington were the best team last season. I know some people love the play off system but it has devalued games like last night, it has been suggested that both coaches wouldn't have been to bothered to lose last night, real shame as it should have had more excitment surrounding the fixture.

No, I can live with the play-off winners being called champions, I just don't think we should kid ourselves that it makes them the best team in the league.....In theory, the Challenge Cup winners have as much right to call themselves champions as the play-off winners do - Didn't Wigan beat Wire, Saints & Leeds to lift that trophy last year??....That's probably the equal, if not better than what Leeds did to become champions.

Almost laughably last night, Paul Cullen claimed Leeds are the 'best club side in the world'!!'.....Now I know Cullen is famed for the nonsense he spouts, but that was an absolute pearler....

You're embarrassing yourself with that comment which is bitter at best.

If we play to the top of our game we would win nearly every game going off last years results of beating Wigan, Saints, Leeds and Huddersfield twice each.

By your logic you would never give other teams any credit in beating us. It would always be a case of us losing it.

Leeds played well yesterday and deserved to win, there's no question about that. We were never even in front to lose it.

Well Technically we are the best club side in the world, you can beat whats in front of you and we beat everyone that we needed to reach the Grand Final and win it then beat Manly to win the WCC ...you Warrington fans are sounding a little bitter

Most of us know our place, possibilities and limitations.

To be fair, both teams have can stake a claim to being whatever people claim.

Leeds won a couple of games at the end of the season last year and then ebat Manly in a preseason game

Warrington had the greatest points for and the greatest defence and blah blah blah last season.

totally agree with everything...thing is we can and will play better god help the teams we play when it all clicks...

You missed my point dear boy.
The unimportance of a league game against two top clubs is worrying for the future of the game.
Check out how many fans on here didn't go to the game.
Are you one incidently ?
Why didn't they travel ?
They didn't travel because the result is irrelevant, and therefore why not watch it on Sky, follow that line and we'll all start only going to home games. It's already happening.
Leeds won fair and square, not bitter not embarrassing.

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Although I agree with the importance of winning the league being devauled by the powers that be and Sky in favour of the play off winners being a bad thing; I think people are making too much about the importance of this game.

Even in a league competition, results don't matter too much come the end of the season. This isn't to say the game itself doesn't matter. In 2008, Liverpool beat Manchester United 3 games into the season. Both teams would have been trying their hardest to win that game but the result and importance of the game didn't mean much at the end of the season when United won the league.

We're going to get beat through the course of the season and there is more chance of it happening against the better teams. As long as we're in the race to finish top with a few games to go and give ourselves a chance, then that would be great.

I don't know how many Warrington fans were there on Friday night or if it was or down from previous years. I didn't go; forking out £50+ to travel across then pennines on a Friday night for a unimportant league game that was on Sky isn't viable for me at the moment.

...and won the hubcap, don't forget!

I don't think either team showed their true potential on friday. Leeds edged an occasionally uninspiring game and that's about it in my opinion. Plus, you need to play to your best at Headingley. They're the world club champions and have turned a huge corner since this time last year.

However, its interesting to hear some people's opinions on our style of play. Personally I've always felt we should play to our strengths. The difference on friday was we were clumsy and sometimes made mistakes we generally wouldn't. It reminded me of the Wigan game at DW 2010 in the rain. It was complete suicide but the key component in our game these days is we defend a lot better. If most teams had turned the ball over against a team of Leeds' quality like we did on friday then I've no doubt the scoreline could and probably would have doubled in Leeds favour.

Plenty of spirit shown by the team, accompanied by some clumsiness admittedly. However, if in a couple of weeks we've ticked the box against Wigan and Saints then friday will just be viewed as what it was - a blip.

Of course they matter in a league competition......What about in 2008/9, when Hull City started off like a house on fire, then collasped like a stack of cards, surviving on the last day by the skin of their teeth??

In that case, those early season results were absolutely crucial to their whole season....In a play off system, defeats can be shrugged off a lot more as being a 'warm-up' for the actual competition in the last month of a campaign.

Sadly, most league games are now glorified pre-season friendlies.

You won the qualifying stage that decides who qualifies for the next stage of the tournament which decides the champions. You cant decide halfway through a competition that only the first part counts, im pretty sure Warrington knew the rules before the start. They knew they needed to do two things, to have the consistency to finish high up the league, and the quality and mentality to win when all the chips were in the pot.

Fairly sensible assessment. a 10% improvement from Wire and some of those offloads stick and we are looking at a win for Warrington, 10% better from Leeds and it could have been over as a contest after 20minutes.

I thought both teams defended pretty well, some big collisions and not a huge amount of dropping off in the tackle.

Both teams seem to have a similar mentality, good defence will win them most games (and lets be honest, Wire would have beaten most teams performing like they did on friday) and when the attacking game clicks they can be unplayable, but even when it doesnt the defence just needs to keep the score close enough because at some stage, whoever they are playing, they will have 10-20 minutes of ball and they only need a few of the offloads to stick to put points on any team.

I think both teams will be pretty happy defensively but simply more stuck for Leeds on this particular occasion.

I don't disagree.....But you are having a laugh if you say Leeds were a better side than Warrington last season.

You were the best side in the last month of the season, when we have the Cup competition that decides the champions....For the rest of the year, you were slightly better than poor....If that's how you decide a champion, then Rugby League, as a serious sport, has a big problem....As I have said earlier, Wigan have as much right to call themselves champions after beating 3 top sides to win the Challenge Cup.

If you are serious about the 27-match league being a qualifying comp for a 4 week Cup campaign, then you can safely say that the sport will slowly die as fans realise they are paying to watching 'sparring' over actual competitive sport.