Yes, it was the 4th round of the Challenge Cup IIRC, when we went to their place and put 60 points past them, which was a steppingstone to us retain the cup.

HTH

Didn't they knock you out the playoffs and thus end your title hopes?

HTH

I think most teams in the top eight could have knocked us out of the playoffs last year. In pretty much all of the games played after Wembley the team looked fairly knackered. I think this situation could have a huge bearing on this year's league too. Whoever wins the quarter final is going to have a great chance to get to Wembley and it's so easy to drop points in the games surrounding the final. Last year, Saints managed to pip us to second place for this reason. Personally, I'd rate whoever wins the quarter final between Wire and Wigan as favourites for the cup and the losers as favourite for the league.

Still no one has replied to this

yep and what did they win last season??????nowt

Well I will reply then. The stats speak for themselves.

After the performances this weekend i will be amazed if the grand final isnt Wigan v Wire. Its also a shame that the cup quarter final is Wigan v Wire as this would have made a great Wembley final. The 2 best sides in the league this year by a mile.

Maybe thats because he posts it every other day and no one is interested in it anymore.

Be interesting to see where on the field these errors happen.

Not seen every game Tomkins plays so wouldn't know if last nights hash at fullback was a one off.

Great to see the OAP has more then double the try assists and is only 2 behind on tries.

Think it depends on who Saints have back and when. If they are almost at full strength come playoff time then I wouldn't want to face them.

Given form and league position there can be no doubt that Wire and Wigan are the best two sides so far. Both may still suffer one or two setbacks in the league. However, the games to come between the two sides (possibly 3 in total) will determine who wins silverware. The only game between the sides this year was comprehensively won by Wire and so Wire have to be considered as the overall form side so far.

Also be nice to see what constitutes an error... Knock on, forward pass, etc.....

I would bet that Brett has a much better record on catching big kicks.

There has been a few mathers style errors from ratboy lately..... I especially liked his 'let the ball roll through the legs' one yesterday against the giants.

He is usually very safe. The bounce of the ball didn't go his way on two occasions but I would hardly call it a hash. The high ball he caught under heavy pressure was hardly a hash either.

Agreed, but form wont count for much in the cup game. Wouldnt like to call it to be honest could go either way. Also, imo Catalan away for you lot will be difficult. They stuffed Wigan at the DW and shut them down in Montpelier.

Good point about where the errors happen. Can't really recall Hodgson making many defensive errors and he certainly looks more secure at fullback than Tomkins.

Tomkins can really rip teams apart and score a lot of tries if they are poor defensively, as Hudds were yesterday. However, in a close game against a team who are on top form in defence, Hodgson's chipping into the line and his superior passing game are much more effective.

Bounce of the ball aye?

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Great to see that Sam has more than double the tackle busts and nearly ten more clean breaks.

In 2 less games



FWIW Hodgson is obviously a safer fullback at the moment but Im sure when Sam has that much experience at fullback behind him, he will be just as safe. Thats not to say Sam is an unsafe fullback either, just that Hodgson is very good. In fact, Sam has only had one bad game under the high ball that I can remember- which was Salford away, since then he has been brilliant under it.

Cheers for that. How much more productive is Brett Hodgson than Tomkins?

Hodgson tries and assists combined - 31
Tomkins tries and assists combined - 24

What a player Hodgson is.

To be fair, I've never had him down as an "unsafe" fullback. Seems to get it done when it matters. I can't think of any alarming errors that have been crucial in games from either. That's why the defensive stats are misleading, when we're busy dicking teams we may let the foot of the gas and concetration levels drop. When you're in close games like you usually are, you have to be swicthed on for the full 80, hence less errors.

Hodgson or Tomkins...

Tough one, but neither are a patch on Wellens, still the best fullback in the world.

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Last nights three tries aren't included. Sam has scored sixteen tries in Super League this season.

Rouges if you created a dream team right now, who would you have at 1. Hodgson or Tomkins

You would have to include Tomkins; as good as Hodgson has been for us.

But in a theoretical world only picking one, i'd take Hodgson, he's just 'sounder'

Don't get me wrong Tomkins is a great player though.