I think that may happen as well.

Far too many people jumping the gun just to moan and have a go at Smith an the comp aint even started yet.

Well 12 months ago, Tomkins wasn't even part of the Wigan first team, so lets give him time to develop and show he can play consistently to a high standard.

Tony Smith made him look like an amateur in the semi final.

Well to begin with, if that was the case, there would be a lot of red faces on here, especially in the Wigan and St Helens RLFANS camp.

In all honesty, I would consider that a strange decision. You would have thought in that situation that McGuire would have been dropped in favour of Tomkins. However, at the end of the day, it's the coach's decision. It would be a big gamble though.



I agree. However, I can see Smith being the kind of coach who would do that.

I'll stick with scoring and creating tries which is what a halfback primarily does. Why don't you move Tomkins to prop if that's what you rank him on? Totally clueless, now go and find your bookmarks.

I agree Tomkins should have probably been given the nod - but who knows he could have picked up a slight knock.The thing I dont like about Tomkins is that he is a petulant little so and so and can lose his rag at the drop of the hat.A little bit of sledging and he is put off his game.Look at the Semi against us , they were all winding him up especially King and Clarke and he could not take it.Look at the cricket and the Aussies are past masters at sledging and I think the Rugby team would be much the same.

What ever did happen to his bookmarks?

Very true.

Obviously you did not see the Wigan game v Salford in the Challenge Cup.

Nyler was so poor defensively that he finished up defending on the wing just to get him out of the way.

Myler, Tomkins and Eastmond are all great young prospects and need encouraging not destroying.

My concern is that Tomkins form should have dictated he played.

Similarly I do not understand Smiths decision to play James Graham on the bench.

My post on the Wigan site "Apart from the Tomkins issue, which has now been done to death I don't understand the selection of James Graham on the bench.

Graham is NOT an impact prop. He doesn't makes a lot of metres per carry. His major strengths are his fitness, tenacity, durability, stamina and his ability to take on a number of drives per set.

Morley on the other takes less drives but will make more metres per drive.

I would have had Graham and Peacock starting with Morley and Carvell on the bench.

Dropping Carvell is another strange decision, he and OLoughlin were top tacklers last week.

myler had to defend on the wing ,thats called tactics pal you dont want your half back tackeling so you save then for attacking wrong again,impact prop ,who is a inpact prop they all do the same ,20 mins then back on and fresh again ,graham makes loads of metres per carrie ,how is morley aimpact prop but grahams not wrong again

I agree with the Graham comment rogues, and carvell.
I think it's more to do with still trying a few things out.
I cant see us going into the Aus game with one prop on the bench for instance. Possibly Grahams not quite fit and could do with an easier run this week? i dont know..

well you know nothing same as him

So you've told us Ivy yet you're the one that considers Higham an international hooker.
Just leave the big boys to talk rugby, you play with your GI Joe or whatever

thats cos he is dic ,i will leave the bull boys to it then ,theres a right smell ov on this forum

Your actually wrong. You want him to play for England because he is a warrington player and because its a warrington caoch, the rest of RL agrees with me.

Are you that blind that you can't see that it is only warrington fans who think he should be in the team and he is a better player?

I am right behind the team, I hope Myler does a great job but there is nothing wrong with discussing selection issues, IMO this is just one big cockup.

In that game Wigan attacked Mylers wing, Pat Richards scored three tries and Gareth Hock two.

Some tactics

James Graham average metres per carry 7.13, Adrian Morley average metres per carry 8.08.

What team do you coach?
God help them.

If I were you I'd stick to cleaning Mickeys boots.

Otherwise known as Cherry and White 2...

Is that a fact? Please direct me to any post that I have made that states that I am desperate for Myler to play for England because he is a Warrington player.

I'll give you as much time as you need. However, you won't find one.



Whatever they want to think, then it's up to them. I've already said that I will go with whatever team Smith picks because he is the coach and he has the experience. If it proves to be the wrong decision, then so be it.



Nothing wrong with discussing selection issues at all. However, pardon me for cracking a wry smile when you said you hope Myler does a great job. No offence pal, but I don't believe that one bit.

It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if the Wiganers want Myler to fail miserably just so that they can proclaim they were right all along and that Tomkins, a Wigan player, should have been in the squad originally.

used clean them when he was 8 someone else has been doing them for last 12 years .no wonder mate playing salford so if your going off that god help you son.and if ask any player or coach the half back defends on the wing or inside the winger as it saves them for attack .again you need listen and learn before you put your pie brain in to gear

Is it me or does Odemwinger spend more time on our board than he does on his own's teams'? :S

I don't want Myler to fail at all he is playing for England, I wanted Tomkins to be selected as that was the right decision to make taking everything into account.

Everything else you say is utter gash, what other fans say is more important and a more valid opinion than what we say as we support the two players in question.

I hope Myler tears the French appart and gives me hope that we have a star for Englands future and a star to make Warrington a force which the fans deserve. Your opinion appears to be that Odemwingie is against RL.

Well only an idiot would say that, I havn't been on here properly for ages but this debate brought me to this board and it's been an interesting discussion, and thats all I am interested in (discussion).

Is it just me or are some of the Warrington fans on here more bothered about Odemwingie than discussing RL matters.

Thanks WireFanatic, it's been a good discussion, I would rather people debate than just throw petty comments at me. Cheers.

But Myler got the nod. It's been done, there's nothing that can be changed. The only way it will is if Myler has a crap game, hence my comment about Wigan fans probably wanting him to have one so that Tomkins will be picked.

The thing what gets me is that all the talk has been about Myler and Tomkins. There has been no mention of McGuire. He's not exactly set the world alight when he's played himself. You never know, he could have a crap game and it will be Sam and Richie lining up against the Aussies and the Kiwis.



I disagree.



Well, to be honest, since everyone hates Warrington anyway, that can't be classed as a valid argument now, can it.





That's something I agree with. It would be the same with Tomkins. If he was playing, I would give him my full support because he is playing for England. However, I wouldn't need to agree with the next part because everyone has seen what a force he is at Wigan and how he's helped you guys, especially when Tim Smith got injured.



Not my opinion at all, and at no point in my discussion with you has that been said. I have enjoyed this discussion, and as you say, it's good to have a full on open discussion rather than throwing insults. Saying that though, your comment about everything I say being gash, I can't decide whether that was one or not.

I was just waiting for the bite



Saying you disagree was a bit obvious though, you wouldn't of said it if you disagreed.

At least you see my point slightly and don't hide behind your keyboard throwing out insults like........ you know which ones I mean

What a rubbish ball by Myler, Tomkins could've give it better...

When is Myler comming on?