Picked this up on the web. Disappointing if accurate. Maybe PY will tell us.

Super League Season Ticket Sales at Jan 2015
Leeds Rhinos 8,800
Wigan Warriors 8,500
St Helens 7,900
Hull FC 7,400~
Warrington Wolves 5,500
Hull KR 4,500
Catalans Dragons 4,500
Huddersfield Giants 4,000
Castleford Tigers 3,755
Widnes Vikings 3,000
Wakefield Trinity Wildcats 2,000
Salford Red Devils 1,750

If correct that is very disappointing.

I think around a couple of years ago we had a round 8,000 S/T holders.
To think Stains have 2,400 more holders than we have rankles me.

Can you post the link?

Not surprised really, with al the tv games scheduled then change of dates later in the season then there is the e-cigs debacle which I believe is putting some off renewing.

Anyone have a figure from last years season ticket sales just to compare?

When you look at the top 5 list it probably matches the order with the top clubs average attendances.

The Thursday/Friday games will affect the season tickets.
Now we'll get the "football have midweek games all over the country, blah blah".

Football isn't marketed as "the family sport" and it has more demand than supply.
If you want to cater for families then night games are not the way forward.

I'd take our figure with a pinch of salt, there's been no official announcement on our season ticket sales.

I stopped buying a ST when I could count all our sl home games on a Sunday on one hand without my thumb.
Some seasons we have gone 3-4 months without a Sunday home game!
Unfortunately putting out an outlay and only being able to commit to half of the games doesn't make any sense to me.

The link would add credence...

From what I can find the figures were posted on a site called www.runningrugby.com you need to register to view the full article with the figures but it's free to do so. runningrugby.com/tickets-databas ... ket-sales/ It states "The numbers are based on reports from clubs and where clubs have not co-operated an educated estimate has been made based on the views of those in the industry, sales in previous seasons and patterns in relation to average attendances."

From what I can find the figures were posted on a site called www.runningrugby.com you need to register to view the full article with the figures but it's free to do so. runningrugby.com/tickets-databas ... ket-sales/ It states "The numbers are based on reports from clubs and where clubs have not co-operated an educated estimate has been made based on the views of those in the industry, sales in previous seasons and patterns in relation to average attendances."

Quote ="lister"From what I can find the figures were posted on a site called www.runningrugby.com you need to register to view the full article with the figures but it's free to do so. runningrugby.com/tickets-databas ... ket-sales/ It states "The numbers are based on reports from clubs and where clubs have not co-operated an educated estimate has been made based on the views of those in the industry, sales in previous seasons and patterns in relation to average attendances."'" Thanks for the link Lister, so if the figures are accurate we are currently down 500 on last seasons sales, again I am not surprised. Only Saints and Cas are showing an increase which would be expected following their successes last year. On a club level I suppose the most concerning sales figure is for Salford. It is a worrying trend for the game in general something the RFL and the clubs should be looking at.

Quote ="lister"From what I can find the figures were posted on a site called www.runningrugby.com you need to register to view the full article with the figures but it's free to do so. runningrugby.com/tickets-databas ... ket-sales/ It states "The numbers are based on reports from clubs and where clubs have not co-operated an educated estimate has been made based on the views of those in the industry, sales in previous seasons and patterns in relation to average attendances."'" Thanks for the link Lister, so if the figures are accurate we are currently down 500 on last seasons sales, again I am not surprised. Only Saints and Cas are showing an increase which would be expected following their successes last year. On a club level I suppose the most concerning sales figure is for Salford. It is a worrying trend for the game in general something the RFL and the clubs should be looking at.

Non Sunday games. Sterile game. Cost. Playoff system/lack of league position importance. Poor RFL and club marketing - all taking their toll in my opinion.

Seem to be in accordance with the 2014 drop in attendances with Saints, Cas, HullKR and Salford posting an increase rest down. Wire down 7% on 2013. www.totalrl.com/opinion-super-le ... e-concern/ The attendance figures for each club in the 2014 regular season (2013 in brackets): Bradford Bulls: 6,891 (8,575) Castleford Tigers: 7,068 (6,292) Catalan Dragons: 7,667 (8,179) Huddersfield Giants: 6,335 (6,374) Hull FC: 11,159 (11,680) Hull Kingston Rovers: 7,848 (7,495) Leeds Rhinos: 15,068 (15,200) London Broncos: 1,295 (2,200) Salford Red Devils: 4,738 (3,17icon_cool.gif St Helens: 12,120 (11,235) Wakefield Trinity Wildcats: 4,351 (7,973) Warrington Wolves: 9,870 (10,633) Widnes Vikings: 5,635 (6,015) Wigan Warriors: 14,102 (14,545)

Seem to be in accordance with the 2014 drop in attendances with Saints, Cas, HullKR and Salford posting an increase rest down. Wire down 7% on 2013. www.totalrl.com/opinion-super-le ... e-concern/ The attendance figures for each club in the 2014 regular season (2013 in brackets): Bradford Bulls: 6,891 (8,575) Castleford Tigers: 7,068 (6,292) Catalan Dragons: 7,667 (8,179) Huddersfield Giants: 6,335 (6,374) Hull FC: 11,159 (11,680) Hull Kingston Rovers: 7,848 (7,495) Leeds Rhinos: 15,068 (15,200) London Broncos: 1,295 (2,200) Salford Red Devils: 4,738 (3,17icon_cool.gif St Helens: 12,120 (11,235) Wakefield Trinity Wildcats: 4,351 (7,973) Warrington Wolves: 9,870 (10,633) Widnes Vikings: 5,635 (6,015) Wigan Warriors: 14,102 (14,545)

The Super League is comparable with the 3rd tier of football in average attendance at 8,153. With Wire's closest football club in terms of attendance being Preston North End down from our dizzying heights of Barnsley in 2011.

The playoff system has changed and there are no easy games this season.

Bradford and Keighley used to market their squad well and that resulted in good gates, that should have been the eye opener to everyone that marketing works.

Then Keighley were poo'd on, Bradford mismanaged the accounts and both are back to square one. We have an owner who made his millions in promoting YET?

The RFL and the clubs need to pull their fingers out and sell the game, the build it and they will come attitude doesn't work.

I would have assumed that clubs do not get around to posting any season ticket sales to the media until immediately prior to kick off TBH as some fans presumably, for whatever reasons, could buy the day before the first S.L. match is played. Secondly one person's 'educated' guess could be quite different from another's. FWIW, the HKR CEO, for example, was replying to a question at a televised fans forum during last week and stated he was confident that WHEN the number is known he was confident the club would be posting an increase in sales for the second consecutive season, albeit a small increase, despite a disappointing 2014 campaign. I would expect most clubs would issue a statement regarding season tickets, unless they were majorly disappointed with sales at some point early in the season.

What's this talk about e-cigs affecting attendances? Other clubs have them as stand sponsors, Saints included, and I've never heard anyone with any opposition to it. You've got Magners as a sponsor, which is the bigger evil there?

It is nothing to do with E-Cigs. The Running Rugby Article was 15th Jan. The e-cigs announcement was less than a week before on 9th Jan.

Why would the fact we have more season ticket holders than Warrington rankle you ? We have better averages for past few years anyway.

I think you have to take the article with a pinch of salt. It does not say when the figures where sent by clubs and it is certainly not the final figure. Also the bit about clubs who have sent nothing back have been estimated by experts, just blows the whole thing about facts out of the water.

Clubs don't have to divulge this kind of information, it's not subject to a freedom of information request, so getting accurate figures is always a bit of guess work.

The amount of Thursday games we have had will definitely be a factor for why we've dropped our ST numbers somewhat. I reckon it's put a lot of out of town Wires off as we did have an unusual amount of Thursday games in the last eighteen months.

I'm quite sure if our ST sales were good, or even higher than last year, we would have heard about it.

totally agree mate..hopefully under the new structure we will see a much better product now that every point will mean something

Quote ="Wires71"I'm quite sure if our ST sales were good, or even higher than last year, we would have heard about it.'" To be fair Gatcliffe had a two page interview about a month ago in the weekly rugby league paper (not League Express the other one) in which he stated season ticket sales are up on last year and I'm pretty sure that was repeated by Gatcliffe in another article in League Express a couple of weeks later. The Manchester Evening News has also reported our "record" sales: www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... et-8290639 whilst on the club's website we have stuff like the following: warringtonwolves.com/record-wolfware-sales-7588 So there has been stuff reported about our ticket sales. The Running Rugby article was pretty poor to be fair and quite clearly used made-up figures. Personally I'd imagine we'd be about the same as last year if not slightly down.

Quote ="Wires71"I'm quite sure if our ST sales were good, or even higher than last year, we would have heard about it.'" To be fair Gatcliffe had a two page interview about a month ago in the weekly rugby league paper (not League Express the other one) in which he stated season ticket sales are up on last year and I'm pretty sure that was repeated by Gatcliffe in another article in League Express a couple of weeks later. The Manchester Evening News has also reported our "record" sales: www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... et-8290639 whilst on the club's website we have stuff like the following: warringtonwolves.com/record-wolfware-sales-7588 So there has been stuff reported about our ticket sales. The Running Rugby article was pretty poor to be fair and quite clearly used made-up figures. Personally I'd imagine we'd be about the same as last year if not slightly down.

I'd like to think that any that were on the fence before the KR game have seen our product and committed to getting a season ticket!

Kind of related as well but o/t, what's the cutoff age for junior ST's? Is it 16 AND Under or just U16?