A bit off topic talking about the Wigan Coach here but...

He certainly comes across as a nice guy but he does appear to be coaching as a fan rather than as a coach if you know what i mean.

He seems far to intense for my liking and he is demanding 110% every week. I think both him and his team are going to be absolutely shot come the business end of the year.

No Wigan players are going to be over done come play-off time, not with Wane's radical approach to player rotation. I present you the Widnes debacle.

I meant more in a mental fatigue way rather than physical.

If any coach doesn't demand 110% from his players every week, he should really consider his position. Coaches 'get' that some players can't perform every week at their optimum level, but it won't stop them asking for it because that's how you get the best from players. The best coaches are the most demanding.

Youve missed my point Roddy.

I think Wayne is too intense, he isnt going to be able to go through the whole season like that without it having some form of effect. If he aint careful it will spread to the players too.

The moment a coach stops asking for the best from his players, is usually the point where the players to start to rest on their laurels and take the backseat. Whether Wigan will be able to play every round at their highest level is irrelevant, Wane will always ask for 110% from his players because that's always the bare minimum. A coach can forgive his players for errors and penalties, but he can't forgive them for not trying.

For me, I've always viewed intensity as a good thing in a coach. Take Paul Cullen as an example, he was a top bloke, he loved the club to bits and he worked as hard as anybody, but when asked about our poor defence, he would always deflect that criticism onto something else, usually saying something like "I want to play the St Helens brand of rugby, the entertaining stuff". Smith came in, started getting the lads to put effort into everything: kick chases, defence in the opponent's half and goal line defence. The results speak for themselves.

I know it's a different sport, but if you can, try and read into the philosophies behind football coaches like Pep Guardiola. Guardiola has been known to be one of the most intense coaches ever, he's been known to confront players in training who aren't giving their all, this sort of 'temper' has him in complete control over the best dressing room in world football. Yes, they're all talented, but the best coaches will demand more and more from the talent they have. Guardiola will know in his head all of his players can't play every game, so he'll rotate, but when they play, he'll always want 100% and more.

For me, Wane having that kind of attitude is what Wigan need. Despite what Sky say, you can't swan around losing games then hoping to peak at the end of September, winning breeds confidence, and you only win if you give it your all.

why can people not grasp you can only give 100%# no more... pet hate...sorry!

I think Wigan are playing a better brand of Rugby this year. As effective as they had been the last couple of years they were very boring to watch.

His interviews are painful. All this crap about working them hard in training is so 1980s. That said, Maguire gave the impression that he had a particularly virile dose of IBS when he was interviewed and he was a superb coach, clearly.

Wigan have been playing exciting rugby but with little composure. It cost us the game against yourselfs and the Widnes game.

I worry that we play with that lack of composure because Wane is so intense and passionate about the club. It's certainly not a case of the players not playing for him rather on occasion overplaying for him and losing focus.

We've looked like a group of excitable schoolboys at points this year but I'm confident we'll learn.

Maguire was a hard task master and so was Daniel Anderson at Saints and those guys put superbly well prepared teams on the park. However I think there is an issue about a coach being too highly strung. I think we had that problem with Paul Cullen. Cullen was great when we were in a good spell, his drive and charisma helped tide us forward, but when we hit a rocky patch Cullen became very tetchy and defensive and it seemed to make the whole club nervous from players to non playing staff to supporters, and we got stuck in ruts. With Tony Smith we can have a bad game and we seem to deal with things more calmly. I think this could be the issue Wigan have got with Wane. It's tempting fate to write Wigan off as they are a quality team but I have a sense that Wigan won't win any trophies this year with Wane at the helm, and they will replace him with an established coach as soon as they can.

Just wanted to revisit this thread after todays game. I thought Wane's excitable granddad routine was a bit cringeworthy at times, between his fist-pumping, going in a huff over a rightly disallowed try and bemoaning Josh Charnley missing a meaningless conversion he is well on the way to being crowned the Sam Allardyce of RL.

The sooner he starts acting less like a fan and more like a coach the less embarrassing it will be for everyone.

Terrible isn't it, having a British coach with a bit of personality.

I think what we need is an Aussie who relentlessly moans to the media every week and speaks only cliches, the passion Wane shows is holding our team back.

Unfortunately lizardface Maguire has already ed off home.

Acceptance is the first step to overcoming your butthurt. Well done. Now you must recognize that a higher power can give strength. Accept Tony Smith can give you strength, just like every other fans in Super league!

It must be bad having a socially retarded Gorilla as your coach. I hope he is cheap, that's all I can say!

I might have been a bit harsh with my comment as I actually don't mind Wane, he's got Wigan playing more attractive stuff than Maguire did. Personally though I think dignity in a coach is a more important trait than personality.

It's interesting, the comparison between Cullen and Wane.
Both local, passionate lads (did you see his potty mouth expletives when the so called penalty try was not awarded), have been given a job that's a "bit above their station" .

Wigan were excellent today. Fair play to them. I just get the feeling they'll come up short, like they did Sept last year. They had no oxygen left in their tank.


Last year, we had the bad luck of our key players all deciding to play their worst game of the season on the same day. That was our fall down. Mr Smith, Bobby Fulton, Wayne Bennett et al, will all have suffered the same fate, bad fortune, on the big day. It happens. I get the feeling, come the end of the year, Mr Wane's enthusiasm wont be enough.

And yet you have absolutely nothing to base this on apart from wishful thinking. Do you reckon this says more about you or Wane and Wigan?

Obviously, I've nothing to base this on, as Wane has only been coaching since Fadge went back to Oz, so it's just my opinion. I just get the feeling that Wane (like Cullen) is an enthusiasm coach, not a thinker, like Smith.

As I said, we were undone by bad performances, by key players on one night. POO HAPPENS. Hopefully we'll learn by it.

Wane, (to me) seems a little "underdone" (as did Cullen, when he came to us) as a coach. Maybe, Wigan should have gone for a big name. It's not as if they haven't in the past.

fair play to him.... he is trying to get wigan play proper rugby again.

I've been impressed with him, great to see a bit of emotion. I know he doesn't come across as the most educated guy in the world but he has a wealth of rugby league knowledge and that is what matters.

Apart from his brain fart against Widnes, iv been very impressed with the rugby we have played, we are a joy to watch at times and that showed yesterday. IMO its great to have his kind of emotion and passion back in the sport, we need characters, its something RL is severely lacking.

The media have found out that they can get a couple of seconds of 'good TV' by panning in on Wane especially when a decision goes against Wigan. Other than this coming across, at times, as a lack of professionalism, it just shows his passion for the club. The one problem that I do see was shown in an example in yesterdays game when Charnley missed that kick that would have put them 3 scores ahead. He was clearly seen to criticise him and that should have been kept for the training ground, even if it needed to be mentioned at all. He'll watch these things back and will adjust his behaviour over time.

The one thing that is good about Wane is the type of rugby that he is trying to instill at Wigan as opposed to that under Margaret.

At least the Maguire era lives on in the form of THAT blue and white striped shirt that Wane was wearing.