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I have allways voted labour, but for those of you who voted for this present Con/dem goverment, would you vote them in again not forgetting unemployment figures have leaped, vat up in the new year and defences cut to an alarming level. Working class have now not having much chance of further education, retirement age increased, I am trying to think of some good news but it's difficult.
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In a flash. This last 9 months has been basically a mopping up excercise following the that the slack jawed one eyed gobe made of the country.
What I will never understand (and I include my parents in this) is why someone ALWAYS votes a particular way irrespective of what they're offering, because either their family have always voted that way or they just do.
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That's interesting, I think the second post may be me but the account details, sig, and post numbers are all wrong.
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| Quote ="Steve 51"In a flash. This last 9 months has been basically a mopping up excercise following the rubbish that the slack jawed one eyed gobe made of the country.
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I shudder to think what the two idiots currently in charge would have done during the WORLDWIDE recession.
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| Quote ="Steve 51"In a flash. This last 9 months has been basically a mopping up excercise following the rubbish that the slack jawed one eyed gobe made of the country.
What I will never understand (and I include my parents in this) is why someone ALWAYS votes a particular way irrespective of what they're offering, because either their family have always voted that way or they just do.'"
Can't beat a good political debate can you?
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| Have not voted since 1987 and see no reason to vote in the future, and please spare me the crap of " people died for you, so that you could vote".
when I see 1 party, whether its Labour, Tories or Longford Left Footed Lesbians, that will, get Britain out of the EEC, bring back the death penalty and reintroduce public flogging, will be the time that I go back to the ballot box.
Anybody who believes that using the ballot box will change the country for the better, needs to be sectioned and put in a straight jacket.
People should realise, that it is big business that runs countries, and not policies.
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Don't care what you say the tories will allways look after the well off and yes I allways voted Labour with good reason, the mess were in now was started initially by the Thatcher goverment, crush the unions, sell everything that was ours anyway and it's happening all over again only last night on the news Gloucester council selling 1000 of acres farming land putting farmers out of business, why? spending cuts then sell everything, get rich quick. The tories have never understood long term investment.
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Why do people get all shirty about politians doing u-turns ?
Is that not politians actually doing what they are paid to do and representing/listening to the electorate ?
Granted sometimes they see a bigger picture and stand by their convictions but sometimes they think 'hey you know what the public are right on this lets change our minds'.
Again something else that is getting on my nerves
The 2010 election 29,653,638 voted which is 65.1% of those eligable to vote
The Lib dems secured 6,827,938 votes, 23 % of those eligable to vote
The population of the UK is around 60 million so roughly 10% of the UK wanted to be governed by the Lib Dems.
Of all those that voted, how many of them saw the student fees as a core policy and the main reason they wanted the Lib Dems to win ?
Lets make a fair guess and say 50%, so 3 million people out of 60 million.
So 5% of the population think they can tear up London, and the papers think they can rip Clegg to shreads based on (loosely) 5% of the population. What about the other 95% ?
I was torn on who to vote all the way up to polling day, i didn't vote for Labour even though most of my family did, as they have always done even though my step dad was blasting how bad the government were ?
That made no sense to me what so ever, he hates the government yet votes for the very same party ?
Of the big three if i voted tomorrow, i'd vote Cons, i think it's too soon to actually judge them in any real serious way as they are trying to restore the mess the World banks and Labour have left us in.
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| Quote ="Wire2000"Don't care what you say the tories will allways look after the well off and yes I allways voted Labour with good reason, the mess were in now was started initially by the Thatcher goverment, crush the unions, sell everything that was ours anyway and it's happening all over again only last night on the news Gloucester council selling 1000 of acres farming land putting farmers out of business, why? spending cuts then sell everything, get rich quick. The tories have never understood long term investment.'"
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Of the big three if i voted tomorrow, i'd vote Cons, i think it's too soon to actually judge them in any real serious way as they are trying to restore the mess the World banks and Labour have left us in.'"
I think what a lot of people don't realise (not necessarily directed at you btw) is that when you look throughout Europe + the US, the UK is nowhere near as bad as some countries, we haven't been remotely close to being bailed out which a few already have and Spain isn't far off being the next.
Ireland is in meltdown at the minute because of the Euro, and the labour government refused to join and it has already paid dividends, IRE is already considering rejoining sterling next year.
The main thing with the new government that has really annoyed me, is not the student fees as I semi-agree with what they are doing (the principle but not the method) but it is the instant scrapping of the schools building scheme. I know of several schools that are desperately in need of revamping and completely new buildings, contracts had been agreed, and 1 in particular was 2 weeks away from the builders moving in after the entire school had been cleared out, just to have it scrapped. Ludicrous. |
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| Quote ="Live Wired"Have not voted since 1987 and see no reason to vote in the future, and please spare me the crap of " people died for you, so that you could vote".
when I see 1 party, whether its Labour, Tories or Longford Left Footed Lesbians, that will, get Britain out of the EEC, bring back the death penalty and reintroduce public flogging, will be the time that I go back to the ballot box.
Anybody who believes that using the ballot box will change the country for the better, needs to be sectioned and put in a straight jacket.
People should realise, that it is big business that runs countries, and not policies.
quite frankly, politicians and councillors should all be put against a wall and
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spot on..ive not voted for years and cant see me trotting down to the polling station again unless someone comes up with a few policies that actually mean something to me and my family..honestly would you trust a politician and is there actually one out there who could be trusted.i bet theres not |
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| Quote ="sir adrian morley"spot on..ive not voted for years and cant see me trotting down to the polling station again unless someone comes up with a few policies that actually mean something to me and my family..'"
Are you suggesting that taxes, schooling, policing, transport, health provision, etc have no bearing on your or your family's life? |
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| Quote ="Paul Youane"Are you suggesting that taxes, schooling, policing, transport, health provision, etc have no bearing on your or your family's life?'"
taxes..we are battered for tax
schooling..my 2 have left school,may be thats one plus out of your list.
policing..thats a joke,for several reasons.
transport,another joke.
health provision..im in good health(may be im lucky)
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Clegg will never get an opportunity for people to vote for him again. He's sold the sole of the Libs Dems (Fees, Trident, Voting reform etc etc etc).
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Would lowering taxes to practically nothing and raising VAT not help. Even the 'current' tax dodgers would struggle if the tax was on things we bought rather than earned ?
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Quote ="inside_man"I think what a lot of people don't realise (not necessarily directed at you btw) is that when you look throughout Europe + the US, the UK is nowhere near as bad as some countries, we haven't been remotely close to being bailed out which a few already have and Spain isn't far off being the next.
Ireland is in meltdown at the minute because of the Euro, and the labour government refused to join and it has already paid dividends, IRE is already considering rejoining sterling next year.
The main thing with the new government that has really annoyed me, is not the student fees as I semi-agree with what they are doing (the principle but not the method) but it is the instant scrapping of the schools building scheme. I know of several schools that are desperately in need of revamping and completely new buildings, contracts had been agreed, and 1 in particular was 2 weeks away from the builders moving in after the entire school had been cleared out, just to have it scrapped. Ludicrous.'"
Exactly, the Tories and the Lib Dems keep harping on about how Labour has ruined the country's finances and so on - well you had George Bush in the US who was a free market Republican who wouldn't spend a penny on welfare, and their finances got ruined....Ireland, Spain, Portugal, Greece all in worse mess than the UK, was it Labour's fault for ruining them as well?
The Tories and Lib Dems harp on about "13 years of wasteful public spending" but they both contested Labour in the 2001 and 2005 elections and neither of them fought on a platform of cutting public spending and austerity measures. The Tories fought on anti-immigration, anti-Europe, and spending more on prison building, more police on the streets, more money for defence, more money for cleaner hospitals, and tax cuts as well. Lib Dems fought on free tuition fees, increases in spending on health and education.
There was no talk about overspends and austerity measures until this last election. You had George Osborne writing this rubbish in the Times in 2006: www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/commen ... 733821.ece
Quote Ireland stands as a shining example of the art of the possible in long-term economic policymaking, and that is why I am in Dublin: to listen and to learn.'"
Quote What has caused this Irish miracle, and how can we in Britain emulate it?'"
Quote In Britain, the Left have us stuck debating a false choice. They suggest you have to choose between lower taxes and public services. Yet in Ireland they have doubled spending on public services in the past decade while reducing taxes and shrinking the State’s share of national income. So not only does Ireland now have lower business and income taxes than the UK, there are also twice as many hospital beds per head of population.'"
So basically George Osborne's plan for the economy was to base it on the Irish model, he liked the idea of doubling public spending whilst reducing taxes. This is a bit like some football manager writing that they should model their business plan on Portsmouth when they won the FA Cup.
When we had the run on Northern Rock it took everybody by surprise but Osborne didn't come up with a credible suggestion, all he did was criticise Alastair Darling for taking action to guarantee deposits without which you would have had it spreading rapidly to other banks and causing chaos. Meanwhile at this time his flagship policy was the cut in inheritance tax which he defended hard throughout the lead up to the election then dropped it straight away as soon as they were in power and said it wasn't a priority. All in all he just gave the impression of being somebody who was out of his depth in the job he had, he was only in his 30s, had no business experience, all he'd done was be a Tory party worker in William Hague's office. All in all he comes over like a guy who doesn't really know what he is doing. |
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Ireland is in meltdown at the minute because of the Euro, and the labour government refused to join and it has already paid dividends, IRE is already considering rejoining sterling next year.
The main thing with the new government that has really annoyed me, is not the student fees as I semi-agree with what they are doing (the principle but not the method) but it is the instant scrapping of the schools building scheme. I know of several schools that are desperately in need of revamping and completely new buildings, contracts had been agreed, and 1 in particular was 2 weeks away from the builders moving in after the entire school had been cleared out, just to have it scrapped. Ludicrous.'"
Exactly, the Tories and the Lib Dems keep harping on about how Labour has ruined the country's finances and so on - well you had George Bush in the US who was a free market Republican who wouldn't spend a penny on welfare, and their finances got ruined....Ireland, Spain, Portugal, Greece all in worse mess than the UK, was it Labour's fault for ruining them as well?
The Tories and Lib Dems harp on about "13 years of wasteful public spending" but they both contested Labour in the 2001 and 2005 elections and neither of them fought on a platform of cutting public spending and austerity measures. The Tories fought on anti-immigration, anti-Europe, and spending more on prison building, more police on the streets, more money for defence, more money for cleaner hospitals, and tax cuts as well. Lib Dems fought on free tuition fees, increases in spending on health and education.
There was no talk about overspends and austerity measures until this last election. You had George Osborne writing this rubbish in the Times in 2006: www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/commen ... 733821.ece
Quote Ireland stands as a shining example of the art of the possible in long-term economic policymaking, and that is why I am in Dublin: to listen and to learn.'"
Quote What has caused this Irish miracle, and how can we in Britain emulate it?'"
Quote In Britain, the Left have us stuck debating a false choice. They suggest you have to choose between lower taxes and public services. Yet in Ireland they have doubled spending on public services in the past decade while reducing taxes and shrinking the State’s share of national income. So not only does Ireland now have lower business and income taxes than the UK, there are also twice as many hospital beds per head of population.'"
So basically George Osborne's plan for the economy was to base it on the Irish model, he liked the idea of doubling public spending whilst reducing taxes. This is a bit like some football manager writing that they should model their business plan on Portsmouth when they won the FA Cup.
When we had the run on Northern Rock it took everybody by surprise but Osborne didn't come up with a credible suggestion, all he did was criticise Alastair Darling for taking action to guarantee deposits without which you would have had it spreading rapidly to other banks and causing chaos. Meanwhile at this time his flagship policy was the cut in inheritance tax which he defended hard throughout the lead up to the election then dropped it straight away as soon as they were in power and said it wasn't a priority. All in all he just gave the impression of being somebody who was out of his depth in the job he had, he was only in his 30s, had no business experience, all he'd done was be a Tory party worker in William Hague's office. All in all he comes over like a guy who doesn't really know what he is doing. | |
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| Quote ="Yed"Would lowering taxes to practically nothing and raising VAT not help. Even the 'current' tax dodgers would struggle if the tax was on things we bought rather than earned ?'"
The reason they went for VAT as a tax rise is for the reasons you say, it is hard to avoid and it brings a lot of revenue in. They can't really put it up any more than they have done though. Already with the rise to 20% people will start to 'think twice' about buying consumer goods because everything costs more, which is fair enough. But if they put it to 22.5% or 25% then people would just not be able to afford as much so they would cut their cloth accordingly. Which means if you have a job which depends on selling anything, everybody is buying less, so the firm will have to make cutbacks and start laying people off. You would push the economy back into recession.
Increasing the saving rate and getting people to save rather than spend has many benefits but the fact that nobody is spending means nobody is going to have a job either... |
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They are increasing vat instead of income tax because the way things are going if you have no job or are poorly paid they can't make you pay much income tax.
John Bishop was good last night on the Royal Variety Show when he was going on about the French protesting about the retirment age to 62, he said it wouldn't happen here as most people in Britain haven't had a job by the age of 62 lol
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| Quote ="Yed"Why do people get all shirty about politians doing u-turns ?
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| Quote ="the flying biscuit"u turns or lies Yed ......?'"
I can be equally cynical when it comes to politicians but maybe  they actually wanted to do the things they stated and when in with chance to look at the books thought 'oh sh-t, we can't do it'.
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you tube david cameron exposed its brilliant....(its clean its not a mad monday prank)
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I said it on election night and again when the coalition was formed. Lib Dems have gone into governemnt with the torys for a) experience and b) give the labour party long enough to get rid of brown and get a new "election winning" leader in place. Give it 2-3 years and they will rebel over something, vote against the govenment and bring Cameron down...and then Cameron can spend the next 5 years spouting his favoruite punchline .."its the other sides fault"
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| Quote ="mikej"I said it on election night and again when the coalition was formed. Lib Dems have gone into governemnt with the torys for a) experience and b) give the labour party long enough to get rid of brown and get a new "election winning" leader in place. Give it 2-3 years and they will rebel over something, vote against the govenment and bring Cameron down...and then Cameron can spend the next 5 years spouting his favoruite punchline .."its the other sides fault"'"
The Lib Dems went for the coalition to give the appearance that they could run a country. It's just backfired however as one of their major policy's has been instantly changed.
There was an interview with Nick Clegg on the radio the other day, and he was being quizzed about why the sudden turnaround on student fee's, and for every excuse or answer he gave, the interview simply replied "but you knew that before, why have you changed your mind", and it went on for 4 or 5 answers, and Clegg couldn't give a legitimate reason why. |
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| Quote ="inside_man"The Lib Dems went for the coalition to give the appearance that they could run a country. It's just backfired however as one of their major policy's has been instantly changed.
There was an interview with Nick Clegg on the radio the other day, and he was being quizzed about why the sudden turnaround on student fee's, and for every excuse or answer he gave, the interview simply replied "but you knew that before, why have you changed your mind", and it went on for 4 or 5 answers, and Clegg couldn't give a legitimate reason why.'"
The reason I've heard him use frequently is that they have changed their mind because they were not elected to Government.
The voting system in this country meant that no party got a good enough majority to take power automatically. So the Conservatives, who 'won' the election in the logical sense through being voted for a lot more than the other main parties get to use the power the majority of the country wanted them to.
Clegg said that as the Libdems were not voted for in significant numbers, it really has no right to demand the policy's they trumpeted in their campaign as they clearly weren't what the majority of the country wanted.
Labour made an absolute mess of the country. I liken the situation under Labour to driving your car towards a cliff, the driver being Labour, the kids in the back being the population. It all seemed fine enough, the parents were in horrendous debts but the kids didn't notice as they had three PSPs and DSs each, Nike trainers and an Iphone 4 each. All the conservatives have done is stop that car as it was about to fly off the cliff.
The last election is the best possible situation for Labour. They had thoroughly messed it up, but were able to walk away quietly, without the election whitewash they deserved. The Conservative/Libdem coalition then inherits a horrendous situation where the only option is to make cuts. The ignorant public then notice the cuts and the ridiculous way they are blown out of all proportion by the media and votes Labour, still devoid of ideas, back in a landslide victory at the next election. |
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they actually wanted to do the things they stated and when in with chance to look at the books thought 'oh sh-t, we can't do it'.
