Another off season topic.

I have recently been enjoying various conspiracy documentaries which in turn got me thinking what peoples thoughts are on the main ones:

9/11
The death of Princess Diana
The assassination of JFK
Rosswell
The Moon landing

I always thought there was more to the JFK killing but I have now crossed this of my list, I believe Lee Harvey Oswald was a lone gunman.

The one I have trouble ignoring is the moon landing. Everytime I dismiss it i then think . . . . But what if.

Why would George bush cause such terror and destruction, still i think they must have had some idea it was going to happen.

Climate change.

The big oil companies and energy suppliers who are based on fossil fuels know that at the moment the world is dependent on their resources and they control the supply. When renewable energy technology gets advanced enough it will have a competitive advantage over fossil fuels due to it being renewable whilst fossil fuels are getting harder and harder to extract, and those companies will be able to undercut them, swallow up the market share. The oil and energy business is worth a lot of money to a lot of people and they don't want it threatened.

In the past they could just dismiss the green lobby as people on the fringes, students, hippies etc but now academics are joining the renewable energy industry in lobbying governments for investment, the fossil fuel companies are furious hence they are putting a lot of stuff out there saying climate change is a myth, using dirty tricks to discredit academics, using the right wing press to create a general consensus in the public that "climate change is just a scam by governments to get more tax".

The reality is though that the anti climate change movement is a scam by the cartel controlled industry, to make sure they control the supply and the price, and they can get more off everybody in bills. Look at how much energy bills have risen in the last couple of years....over the next 10-15 years you will see energy bills skyrocket well ahead of inflation because now for the last 70 or 80 years or so of the fossil fuel industry's dominance, they are going to make hay while the sun shines.

I feel sorry for every mug down the pub saying "this climate change stuff is a load of rubbish", because their energy companies have got them by the balls. When they complain about their electricity and gas bill what can they do, they can't switch to solar or wind power, they have to suck it up and pay whatever they are asked.

Then why was he shot outside the courtroom?

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I won't believe the moon landing until I see an independent telescope image of tyre tracks, rocket crater and US flag on the moon surface. Surely that would not be too difficult to achieve?

Get me tom hanks on the moon, or bugger off.

Bill Hicks did a stand up routine which included a fair bit of JFK which was one of the funniest routines ive ever heard.

especially when he talks about the book depository being
"a museum and now called the 'assassination building' I think they named it that after he was shot ....i'm not sure of the chronology ..... "

but the best is the snipers window...Hicks said "you cant actually stand at the window its all Glassed off...thats because they dont want a load of American tourists standing at the window and shouting.... hey No effing way....I cant even see the road from here.....they've been lying to us"

but yeah JFK and the moon landing a conspiracy...and area 51 something dodgy going on there.....

I can think of a few billion ways why someone would manufacture a war.

It is often said that WWII was timed perfectly to end the great depression. More often the great depression is cited as one of the reasons for Hitlers rise to power. Who knows.

It'll be the latter. The democratic parties managed to taint themselves, the communists refused to join a front to keep Hitler out. It was their incompetence and the bitterness from WW1 that got him in.

Hitler strived at the helm of the nazi party because of the great depression, germany were already in the dire straits after the first world war but then the wall street crash worsened the situation. People were turning to radical views at times where radical thing needed to happen. He told them everything they wanted to hear like how Germany had the right to have an army and that they were superior to others. He got votes because the reichstag was made up from ex-WW1 commanders, they had already failed in Germany's eyes at the war and now they were trying to run a country.

Quote ="wearethewire"Why would George bush cause such terror and destruction, still i think they must have had some idea it was going to happen.'" Because the bloke is obsessed by Oil and the control of utilities, and the attack on the twin towers was the perfect justification for the 'War On Terror' which has resulted in America controlling the main oil lines through Iraq, Pakistan, Turkmenistan & Afghanistan via a company called Centgas. Just one example of America's aggressive imperialism. Just a few scarey facts about George W Bush Jnr and his powerful family....... - George Bush Jnr was kicked out the US Navy in 1971 for dessertion. He escaped jail because his Dad was State Governor of Texas at the time. - Osama Bin Ladens dad loaned George W Bush Jnr $20 million dollars to set up his own oil company based in Houston, Texas in 1973. - On September 12th 2001 a private jet owned by the Bush family flew 26 members of the Bin Landen family out of the US to the UAE for their own personal safety following fears of reprisals against them. This was despite the FAA declaring North America as a no-fly zone. For anyone interested follow the link below..... www.loosechange911.com/

Quote ="wearethewire"Why would George bush cause such terror and destruction, still i think they must have had some idea it was going to happen.'" Because the bloke is obsessed by Oil and the control of utilities, and the attack on the twin towers was the perfect justification for the 'War On Terror' which has resulted in America controlling the main oil lines through Iraq, Pakistan, Turkmenistan & Afghanistan via a company called Centgas. Just one example of America's aggressive imperialism. Just a few scarey facts about George W Bush Jnr and his powerful family....... - George Bush Jnr was kicked out the US Navy in 1971 for dessertion. He escaped jail because his Dad was State Governor of Texas at the time. - Osama Bin Ladens dad loaned George W Bush Jnr $20 million dollars to set up his own oil company based in Houston, Texas in 1973. - On September 12th 2001 a private jet owned by the Bush family flew 26 members of the Bin Landen family out of the US to the UAE for their own personal safety following fears of reprisals against them. This was despite the FAA declaring North America as a no-fly zone. For anyone interested follow the link below..... www.loosechange911.com/

i do actually find all this 911 conspiracy theory stuff quite interesting

Read a book called 'The New Pearl Harbour' by David Ray Griffin. It isn't about conspiracy theories, its very fact based and asks alot of questions of the US Government. It makes very scarey reading and really hits home that 9/11 was known about a long time before it happened by the Bush administration. When you read the facts you'll sit and seriously think about who the good guys are, and who the bad ones are.

That's near-as-damn-it a perfect summary.

The only bit is about the WW1 commanders, and involves a different conspiracy theory.

At the end of the war, Hindenburg and Ludendorff knew that the game was up, so they voluntarily reliniquished power to the civilian politicians.

The civillians then signed the peace treaty, which was a pretty brutal treaty by anyone's standards (Marshal Foch called it a 'twenty year armistice'). The civillians got all the grief, and the main signatory Mathias Erzberger ended up murdered.

The WW1 commanders sat back and let their underlings and sympathisers spread the 'Dolchstosslegende' (stab-in-the-back legend), which suggested that the German army had not been beaten, but had been betrayed by the civillians. That helped Hitler and other extremists.

So, there was a conspiracy theory, just not the one everyone thinks!

yeah Germany had no way of actually winning the war and Hilter insisted tht they could have carried on and the country was stabbed in the back by the people who signed the treaty of versailles. This was the newly formed Weimar Government, it was the major flaws in the organisation of this that allowed him to gain so much power. For example the whole proportional representation thing, no one could agree in the reichstag so no laws could be passed. The president just passed them without consulting the parliment ( because he could), it defeated the object of it. The biggest flaw though in the Weimar was article 48, the president could take full power if public unrest broke out, this was decided by him. Hitler had his army set fire to the reichstag so he would say to hindenburg this was the first step of the communists so article 48 could be brought into play.

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Not sure the rise of the Nazis is really a conspiracy.

It was indeed. And Hitler wasn't even the first one to invoke it- the Social Democrat coalition did it in around 1928, as I recall.

The irony is, the country that looked the most likely to be taken over by fascists at that time was France.

What about Italy which already had a Fascist government?

You're right, it wasn't a conspiracy- but they rose to power partly because they claimed to have found a different conspiracy.

Ah right, get you now. Very interesting period of history for Europe - 1900 to 1939.

I can understand why the Nazis rose to power. When we went through the recent recession all of the tabloids and various politicians explained it as due to mass immigration and immigrants taking our jobs, homes and resources. Even some of the Labour politicians now say they "understand working class concerns over immigrants"

The Germans were being fed the same sort of propaganda back then that the depression was due to the jews draining their money and resources, so maybe the Nazis just "understood working class concerns over Jews"

Does anybody else think that the jewish state of israel is employing the same tactics the nazi's once used against the palestinians now? Im not talking death camps etc, more social segregation, creating ghettos, and creating laws to keep the palestinians under boot.