How long can you put up with him when you have a player like Riley sat filling in the holes whenever someone is injured? Riley is a better player in every sense. He tackles better, his positioning his better, his attacking is better. Mathers contributed absolutely nothing to Warrington tonight. Why not throw him on the wing and let Riley control the more important fullback slot? Mathers cost you the game tonight.

His stats would read something like: Metres 40, tackles 3, missed tackles 4, back slaps 7,345,786.

Both aren't upto the standard we need, I am never confident that they can hang on to the ball, never mind pose a decent attacking threat.

Both come up short in certain areas and thats one weak point in the team/squad, What would all give for a goal kicking full back like Hodgson at Hudd?

I've never had Riley down as being anything other than solid. I don't remember ever seeing him make a mistake and his try at Bradford last season is something very few players could do. Has he ever had a prolonged spell at fullback?

here we go the mathers bashers have come out

He drops one ball in the match and suddenly people are on his case. Give him a chance without getting on his back constanly like Wigan did. Hes not gonna play well if everybody bashes his confidence down.

He makes mistakes far too frequently to be relied upon. Warrington have moved on a level from having to carry fools like him. When a young player drops balls and lacks confidence under the high ball it rarely improves. Mathers isn't a young players anymore and he's still doing it. His enthusiasm is boundless, but he is the one very weak link in your side.

Funny, if you go to the thread titled 19 man squad for Saints, he makes most people 17, in some cases ahead of Riley

Mathers is nowhere near good enough for a team of our ambitions.

He made a shocking knock on under a bomb last week against bradford. Infact hes made quite a thew.

Fair enough, you've seen more of him than me.

Dropping a high ball is always going to happen to every player on occasions, I've seen Billy Slater drop a bomb and I've seen Lockyer and Inglis do likewise. However when a player does it as regularly as Mathers does you have to wonder. He made the error which ultimately cost you the game, but how many did he let bounce tonight?

thew?

Not even the one where he dropped the ball over the line for Gilmours try?

Mathers is good enough to play in our team. He was the best thing since slice bread when we won at Wembley. Its a team game and everyone who played last night deserve a pat on the back for a great game ( NO THANKS TO SILVERWOOD ). Its unfortunate that when a fullback makes a mistake its punished and noticed more. Ive watched Chris Riley come through the ranks at Wire and hes improved 200 % since he started and its testiment to him the coach and club that we have a player who can play in a number of positions and play them well. Get off players backs and support the team. REMEMBER KINGY AND MONNERS

Both Riley and Mathers each make a costly error almost every game now.

Its supposedly not good enough for other players Why these two....?

I must admit I was happy when he was named fullback. A definite weak link.

The problem with Richie Mathers game is that he's trying to do everything at a hundred miles an hour, his brain seems to be two seconds in front of his body For me all that's required of a fullback is to be secure on to a loose ball and be able to dump the opposition on their backsides in the tackle. Leave all the fancy stuff to the rest of the backs.

Mathers needs a spell in the academy working on the basics, I think too many coaches have got carried away after watching Billy Slater and decided full backs don't need to be able to tackle or catch kicks as long as they score tries.

P.S. Are you really proud of Matt King for squaring up to someone half a foot shorter, three stone lighter and a decade younger? Do you really think he would have the guts to pick on someone his own size?

And to think some of you think you had the better deal swapping him for Gleeson

Hes been fantastic for us this season him and Roberts are one of the best centre wing partnerships in Super League, thanks

That game wasn't lost by mathers or any other individual, we lost it as a team the same as we won the last 3 as a team. On the night we wern't good enough. It Happens

we were good enough ,just kicker thats all ,did you not go or something

Be quiet.
Gleeson can be boot cleaner for Bridge down under this year if he likes.



Nobody remember King and Vatuvei going at it a couple of years back?

So if our kicking game wasn't good enough then as a team we wern't good enough simples really.

didnt say our kicking game if you read ,i said kicker for goal ,rugby wise we were good enough simples really

At last someone with common sense