just for a bit of fun. After watching that poor game on saturday night this game has been talked about as making a return but who would you have as your teams;

[uLancashire[/u
tomkins
riley
ratchford
shenton
charnley
briers
myler
mossop
roby
Morley
hock
wilkin
o'loughlin

[uyorkshire[/u
ben jones bishop
hall
atkins
watkins
briscoe
sinfield
chase
Carvell
burrow
peacock
westwood
jjb
watts

thats just a quick 5 minute guess. either way that match would be far better than watching England v Exiles

Sinfield actually plays for lancashire

just realised that myself! aswell as Kallum Watkins he would be available for Lancashire

A concept for selection i don't mind but it [Yorks/Lancs makes us look small time.

This should have been a fixture in the 60's and maybe it may have been something worth doing back then, now, nah.

Some other ideas from my basic West v East to something else that is just as inclusive.

I don't even see myself as Lancastrian regardless of what some people say about our old boundry.

I was born in Cheshire, raised in Gtr Manchester, support a team in Cheshire, live in Hertfordshire. Lancashire doesn't even feature for me.

It is a good point what with us now having teams in Chesire , merseyside , manchester etc. but there is certainly a calling for the concept because the cross pennine rivalry is definitely there for all to see. it would be a high intensity game played with passion and im pretty sure it would mean something to each clubs respective fans. as oppose to the dull pointless game we witnessed last night.

Doesn't State of Origin make RL seem small time as well?

What about Western Australia? South Australia? Northern Territory? Tasmania? Victoria?

The Lancs Yorks thing has been done to death.
In the last 20odd years or so, we've had
the mid 80's. Teams pulled out their players with lightning speed.
We had a go at it 2002 ish (and it was BENT).

The 3 point code (used to) have a Probables v Possibles game, but again, I can see clubs pulling their players out at an alarming rate, if we ever took the context up.

Is this for real?

It as a massive following and is in the running in to be the No.1 game in that country, i wouldn't be surprised if it did extend in a couple of decades. I think i know what angle you're coming at too, playing to their strengths, to the Aussie 'Heartlands' and thinking sod the rest, this is the area it's strong in so this is how we'll play it.
To apply the exact same strategy in this country is indeed Lancs v Yorks but the difference in this country is the exposure.
It's nowhere near as big a game in this country and we can't afford to strengthen the stereotype of the working mans northern sport played along the M62.

Granted the majority of the people playing and supporting are from the M62 corridor but if we are to create a 'rep' game we need to grab those outside the area, it's better long term thinking, even if it only ever results in more amateurs taking it up that never look like making it professional, and loosely support a 'rep' side.

Maybe they could just rebrand the teams, instead of calling them Lancashire and Yorkshire call them Oxford and Cambridge ?

Maybe they could call them Harvard and Yale and get some American money.

It's still parochial, saying that, that's what we do best isn't it?

Its parochial but the difference is people aren't embarrassed of being associated with Oxford and Cambridge the way they are of being from Lancashire or Yorkshire.

Everybody knows that the only rivalry game that will work is the hybrid game. League fans want to see Union's carthorses whooped, Union fans want to believe that their sport is the best form of rugby, etc.

If a cross-code game began and somehow became a success, that is where the great rivalry would lie in RL in Britain, not in counties or crud friendlies like last night. If enough big Union players taken part (Premiership/European?) then it would grant far greater exposure than anything daft like an all star weekend or the exiles game. Still, getting a mix of the code that both fans would like would be a challenge, but maybe not so big a challenge for an annual game, or a couple of games per year.

It's different and you now full well, it's not about shame it's about growing a product beyond its traditonal boundaries.

Do you think we should persevere with the Lancs/Yorks game?

Who do i support then being from Cheshire? Lancashire because they are the closest?

Why should Warrington Wolves limit themselves to Warrington?

If you are from Chester or Northwich or Knutsford then it basically says the Wolves are not your team they are another town's team.

Why not change our name to Cheshire Wolves so that we can grow our product beyond its traditional boundaries?

Sarcasm and questions with questions, do you have an opinion?

Yes my opinion is that Lancashire v Yorkshire wouldn't do the game any harm if it was successful and supported, any more than NSW v QLD damages the spread of the game in Australia.

Why people are obsessed with hiding the fact that it's predominantly a northern sport is beyond me - that's what it is, there's nothing wrong with the north, that's where the game's strength is. I don't see why league fans care so much about what non league fans would say if they saw Lancashire v Yorkshire. Do you think non league fans are impressed by the concept of 'Exiles'? Or by having made up international teams where all the players are from England, Australia and NZ anyway and swap country allegiance anyway....

I wouldn't mind a Lancs v Yorks but there aren't enough league fans interested to justify it. I think we should stop feeling obliged to play a midseason game though. If we can't find something that is really popular then just scrap it and let the fixture calendar be less congested for the players.

IMO, it should be the World Club Challenge around mid-season. Either mid-season or at the end of the season. Should have a charity shield-esque season opener between the Cup winners and the League winners/or The Champions.

The problem with Lancs vs. Yorkshire is the identity part. I don't relate to Lancashire in anyway, and I do wonder if any of the players identify with Lancashire as well. The things that create hype/support is history and tradition. Could the modern fan really adapt to the Lancs/Yorks rivalry? It means nothing to me, so the game would mean nothing to me. Just like I imagine the game would mean nothing to Kallum Watkins, as an example. For me, it's incredibly hard to reintroduce things that are outdated. I get that the game is popular in the north, but trying to promote rivalries that aren't there (IMO) isn't the way to go, as the Exiles has proven.

You see that's my problem, i don't relate to either team and i'm a rugby fan, it's not inclusive enough, i see the argument that people support clubs even if they live nowhere near a team but the Lancs/Yorks would play too infrequently to grab those type of fans, the Exiles game sounded good on paper but similar to playing London or Catalans at home there's no atmosphere with a partisan crowd.

the problem that we have is that we have always been a club first, country second.

there in lies the problem with what ever people try to do. I myself am an advocate for international i think it needs to grow but whether you have.

eng v exiles
york v lancs
north v south
east v west

or whatever 99% of peoples opinion would be pointless game no rivalry and dont want to risk players getting injured. As seen what has happened with tommy before the game the wigan board going crazy that macillorum hasnt been picked to play and got a good build up then the game finished and it was a pointless game we want compensation for tommy being injured.

that is the main problem no one really gets behind international rugby and no one gives anything a chance to grow, if it hasn't been a success after two games, lets sack it.

Whearabouts in Warrington are you from? If you were from somewhere in the North (mostly) of the town then you are actually from Lancashire. Interestingly, Wilderspool is in Cheshire whilst the Halliwell Jones is in Lancashire. So even if you are from the South of the town, then it's not too much of a stretch to support Lancashire as that is where your club is based.

NB: I know postal addresses and the like will claim the whole of Warrington is in Cheshire but that's only for administrative and council purposes. The original counties still exist.

simple solution:

gingers v non-gingers

gingers have that siege mentality because we are constantly under attack by snide remarks

non-gingers apparently have a problem with us so could get firey

gingers would proper get behind the lads like riley, farrell etc (i reckon graham would even come back to throw his weight behind it)

Lancashire V Yorkshire comes up constantly, but the last time it was played it was a complete flop. Do people conveniently forget that? It's a fair comment too about some people now feeling little connection to Lancashire because they've grown up with their address as either Cheshire, Greater Manchester or Merseyside. Indeed correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think any professional RL club now plays within the county of Lancashire under its redefined borders.

I have no problem with it appearing parochial because its a simple fact that RL in England IS an M62 corridor sport, and I'm a strong advocate of playing to our strengths, but I don't see Lancs V Yorks as the answer at all.

I'm very much club before country and regard most international sport as a complete waste of time, but the one thing I did used to enjoy was the ashes series between Great Britain and Australia where the Aussies came over during the season and played three tests and a few games against the clubs over the course of six weeks or so. For that to happen now the seasons run concurrently in the two countries though clubs would have to agree to their selected players being taken from them for two months while they still played without them a la cricket and rugby union with their central contracts.

Is that remotely workable? I hate the idea of Warrington being weakened at any point by giving our best players to GB, but its the only form of international RL I can imagine being remotely bothered with. Let's face it, the Aussies coming here in June/July and playing three tests V GB and exhibition matches V the cream of Super League once every four years, and GB doing the same there in between making it a bi annual event would be ten times more exciting than the current end of season tag on that the international season currently is. It has a very obvious drawback though as I've already mentioned.

Wilkin is from Hull
Shenton is from Pontefract
Watkins is from Gorton in Manchester
Sinfield is from Oldham
and can Chase really be a yorkshireman?

I live in Greater Manchester and do not feel i am Lancastrian at all. Greater Manchester was formed in 1974, eight years before i was born and i feel i have no ties to the county of Lancs. I think they speak in funny gawby accents too - ask a Lancastrian to say "what's going down with the sound in the Crown and Anchor" and you'd think he was a foreigner!