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| Man is a joke, there is no way he could see that....up as No Try would NOT have been given. Kendall needs demoting to U9's he's only just about that good. Some of the decisions this weekend have been awful, but Kendall has maintained his truly awful standard. Ref won that game...
This game is truly, truly fooked.
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| To be fair he had to make a decision one way or the other. As you mentioned he is useless so thatd why he got it wrong. Awful referee.
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| Devil's advocate head on.
It's because he had to give a decision, he's not allowed to say "I don't know". So he guessed, and guessed wrong. He should have seen the hand under the ball and been in a better position but he wasn't.
The video ref couldn't be 100% sure (as the ball is hidden at the very last moment), so the try was given.
The rule (on field call) is to blame here more than poor refereeing, even though Kendall should have done better.
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| Quote ="CW8"To be fair he had to make a decision one way or the other. As you mentioned he is useless so thatd why he got it wrong. Awful referee.'"
Agree he had to make a decision, but giving a try on a 'hunch' is surely not the right protocol, and shows up a total inadequacy to perform his job.....but of course nothing will happen, hence, the game is dying.
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| If we had taken our chances, or even our conversions, it could have been much different. Listening on the radio we bombed a few.
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| Quote ="CW8"To be fair he had to make a decision one way or the other. As you mentioned he is useless so thatd why he got it wrong. Awful referee.'"
and by making that decision HE decided the result.
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| The LAST clear view of the ball...the LAST ACTUAL EVIDENCE of the ball...it wasn't on the ground. After that its a guess...and the worst ref in the northern hemisphere decided to give it.
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| The rule is an ass.
Surely, to give a try, it HAS to be PROVEN to be scored. NOT A GUESS
I wonder what Kendall would have given, had it not been a TV game....held up over the line??????
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| Yes Kendall is by far the worst official in the whole of SL but we had plenty chances win that match so only ourselves to blame.
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| Quote ="Southstander05"Man is a joke, there is no way he could see that....up as No Try would NOT have been given. Kendall needs demoting to U9's he's only just about that good. Some of the decisions this weekend have been awful, but Kendall has maintained his truly awful standard. Ref won that game...
This game is truly, truly fooked.'"
No consolation I know but you've just had what Wakey get every time with this pr@t, terrible ref the mans a disgrace, disgusting performance.
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| Rather than question the ref I would question how we ended up defending our try line . Watch the defensive set of 6 before that. I was comedy defending. I know they played a game a few days ago but so did Hull FC
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| the rule should be "give me a reason NOT to award the try".... and the reason was it was never seen on the ground....so no try. I think this is what they do in Union.
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| Has anyone noticed how they do it in the NRL? If the ref gives a try, the bunker has a quick look whilst they are celebrating the try, and lining up the conversion. If the bunker see anything that might rule the try out, the ref is informed asap, and the ref then holds up any procedures so the bunker can take a closer look. I haven't a clue why we don't use that here. I would also like to add that i really like the captains challenge but we can't use it here because every SL game isn't shown on TV.
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| Quote ="lefty goldblatt"The rule is an ass.
Surely, to give a try, it HAS to be PROVEN to be scored. NOT A GUESS
I wonder what Kendall would have given, had it not been a TV game....held up over the line??????'"
I said on Twitter I'd have been raging if that was Saints losing to that call. But, it's a very difficult one to find a system for. The benefit of the doubt to the attacking team mantra comes into it, you can always flip your argument and say they can't prove he hasn't scored either. It's entirely possible the ball squirms off the hand under it or that he forces one end of it into contact with the grass. We'll likely never know and if it was disallowed, rather than being on this board, it'd be on Hull's with them saying the opposite.
Interesting tactics from Wire today I thought. Ultra quick play the balls, so many scoots or quick darts at the line and throwing it around like it's the last 5 minutes of the game all game. It looks very lively and threatening and is similar to how you used to play against Saints. It'll bring a lot of line breaks and I guess is playing to your strengths as it avoids the forwards. It's a flawed system though as playing at that intensity will bring about a lot of errors. Your outcome in a lot of games will likely be determined by how many balls you drop and you'll defeat yourselves at times.
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| Quote ="Cokey"Has anyone noticed how they do it in the NRL? If the ref gives a try, the bunker has a quick look whilst they are celebrating the try, and lining up the conversion. If the bunker see anything that might rule the try out, the ref is informed asap, and the ref then holds up any procedures so the bunker can take a closer look. I haven't a clue why we don't use that here. I would also like to add that i really like the captains challenge but we can't use it here because every SL game isn't shown on TV.'"
None of that would help here though. At the end of the day they've either got to decide benefit of the doubt to the attack or defense as they can't see where the ball ultimately ends up.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"None of that would help here though. At the end of the day they've either got to decide benefit of the doubt to the attack or defense as they can't see where the ball ultimately ends up.'"
Fair enough mate but, i am eluding to the concept of it, and it would ultimately be beneficial to the game in the long run.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"None of that would help here though. At the end of the day they've either got to decide benefit of the doubt to the attack or defense as they can't see where the ball ultimately ends up.'"
Sadly the sad one is right and thats a sad state of affairs sadly.
Thats going to overshadow all the other poor calls we were victim to tonight. That truly was one of the worst refereeing displays I've ever seen. He should be stood down he is that bad. Him and Liam Moore are abysmal.
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| Bottom line is, Kendall or the liners would not of seen the grounding of that ball. So how can you send it up as a try? Surely you would send it up as No Try and if theres evidence to give it, then fair enough.....
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| Simple..get rid of this refs try or no try...just hand it upstairs like in the days when it 1st came out and see what he makes of it...
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| I used to take the mick out of rugby union when they gave a try under a load of bodies and you can't see the ball touch the grass. I'm ashamed to say our sport is now as bad.
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| Quote ="Longbarn Wire"Bottom line is, Kendall or the liners would not of seen the grounding of that ball. So how can you send it up as a try? Surely you would send it up as No Try and if theres evidence to give it, then fair enough.....'"
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| Quote ="Saddened!"At the end of the day they've either got to decide benefit of the doubt to the attack or defense'"
That's true on 50/50 calls but this wasn't one of them.
If the ref doesn't know, he should be able to say as much to the video ref. The video ref should then give determine the most likely outcome.
In this instance, it was crystal clear that the most likely result was that the ball wasn't grounded.
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| Quote ="CW8"Sadly the sad one is right and thats a sad state of affairs sadly.
Thats going to overshadow all the other poor calls we were victim to tonight. That truly was one of the worst refereeing displays I've ever seen. He should be stood down he is that bad. Him and Liam Moore are abysmal.'"
Spot on mate, what about prior to the try/no try debate it would have been academic if Kendall had awarded a pen when that Fash who shouldn't have been playing if those poor sods at the review panel hadn't needed an Easter break stripped the ball, quite easily seen as well by all, I don't have the sound on, on Sky so I'm not sure how he could give Wire a scrum instead of a Penalty.
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| I know I'm playing at Devil's advocate but why don't they copy what Union do?Ask the question,Try,yes or no?,that try would never have been given.
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| The line/forward calls tonight were pityful......half of the calls the crowd gave.
Told you everything when Hull had a 'line' ball called, and Barry McDermot made a point of saying 'nothing wrong with that'. He knew it was exactly the same as one we got pinged for 10 minutes prior.
Im not d if the ref gives it, as long as theyre consistent.....they never are though...Kendall is a shambles.....and Moore isnt far behind.
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