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| Rumour doing the rounds that we are making a move for Leutele with 4 players going to Toronto on loan. Clever business taking advantage of their current situation if true. No idea how we fit him under cap though, hes on big money.
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| If that is the case we seem to be saddling ourselves with some commitments with the playing roster. We have a reserve competition & dual reg. with Widnes to provide for & possibly 4 to Toronto. Is this Lutele a good player Gaz or likely to be another journeyman.
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| We could put Jonathan Davies in his prime at centre but if we don't have the mindset, structure, desire or intent to attack then it's a waste.
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| I would imagine that the investors must be wondering why we have to panic buy when they have been coughing up throughout the close season.
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| Attention should be being put on the coaching and management of the current set-up before helping out others
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| Quote ="TF and the wire"I would imagine that the investors must be wondering why we have to panic buy when they have been coughing up throughout the close season.'"
And so they should be wondering.
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| What amazes me is that we seem to have a poor scouting system in place. We are regularly signing long term injury plagued players ,idle deadbeats or too many bods with recreational issues. And whoever we get is at the bottom of the barrel when other clubs have had their pick.
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| I would take him. He's class but he's on mega money at Toronto. Can't see it.
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| If Gelling is ‘removed’ from the club will he still count on the cap this year?
Can’t think of 4 expendable players to bring 1 body in at the minute
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| Quote ="ninearches"What amazes me is that we seem to have a poor scouting system in place. We are regularly signing long term injury plagued players ,idle deadbeats or too many bods with recreational issues. And whoever we get is at the bottom of the barrel when other clubs have had their pick.'" Been saying this for donkeys years and Burrell could be another one added to the long list of big reputation signings that come to nothing.
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| Leutele is class
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| Quote ="MannyWire"If Gelling is ‘removed’ from the club will he still count on the cap this year?
Can’t think of 4 expendable players to bring 1 body in at the minute'"
kibula, brand, doro and robson.
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no way we can afford leutele though.
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| Quote ="Fantastic Mr Cat"kibula, brand, doro and robson.
boom.
no way we can afford leutele though.'"
If it's a loan deal, wouldn't Toronto continue to pay his wages therefore count on their cap and not ours and the same the other way round?
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| I reckon Patton and Johnson would be two of the loanees if true.
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| Quote ="moving on..."If it's a loan deal, wouldn't Toronto continue to pay his wages therefore count on their cap and not ours and the same the other way round?'"
I wouldn't have thought so, it being a live cap, keep in mind when we've brought people in, we've had to ship people out on loan to remove their salary cap value so the new player can replace it.
In his case, we'd either have to clear a marquee spot, or the full whack of whatever his contract is for the period we sign him.
Happy to be corrected, but i'm sure i've heard KF explain that recently
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| Leutele is class, Cronulla are my second team, having lived there for a while, so watched their/his games a fair bit.
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| Quote ="Fantastic Mr Cat"I wouldn't have thought so, it being a live cap, keep in mind when we've brought people in, we've had to ship people out on loan to remove their salary cap value so the new player can replace it.
In his case, we'd either have to clear a marquee spot, or the full whack of whatever his contract is for the period we sign him.
Happy to be corrected, but i'm sure i've heard KF explain that recently'"
Possibly why we're reported to be offloading 4 players in return then?
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| It's a time like this where the good Dr Mar idea of being able to purchase another teams unused marquee allowance sounds a terrific idea that works for both parties.
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"It's a time like this where the good Dr Mar idea of being able to purchase another teams unused marquee allowance sounds a terrific idea that works for both parties.'"
i agree, lets spaff more money up the wall, that's working so far
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| Looking at the salary cap regulations (section 5. It says that as the loanee club we would take his aggregate value from Toronto. And a quick search on google says that he is the highest paid RL centre on a salary of £430k. I can't see how we would give 4 players to Toronto that would add up to that figure unless they took some of our bigger names, in which case the deal would not make sense. We could take a player off his Marquee spot and give it to Leutele I suppose but I don't know who our lowest paid Marquee player is, and what he earns ?
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| And don't forget that Gelling is suspended, he's not been fired / de-registered.
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Quote ="Winslade's Offload"Looking at the salary cap regulations (section 5.
It says that as the loanee club we would take his aggregate value from Toronto. And a quick search on google says that he is the highest paid RL centre on a salary of £430k. I can't see how we would give 4 players to Toronto that would add up to that figure unless they took some of our bigger names, in which case the deal would not make sense. We could take a player off his Marquee spot and give it to Leutele I suppose but I don't know who our lowest paid Marquee player is, and what he earns ?'"
I've found conflicting figures for Luetele's salary, one suggesting the £430k and him being the worlds best paid centre, and another here https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/uk ... s-compare/
Quote Ricky Leutele is one of Toronto’s two marquee players who is thought to command a salary of around £260,000'"
suggesting £260k.
£260k we could possibly work with if we are allowed to de-register Gelling from the cap finding another £160k over 4 players plus possibly a little bit of room in our current spend, the £430k sounds like a crazy figure (but then so does the salary being talked about for SBW).
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Quote ="Winslade's Offload"Looking at the salary cap regulations (section 5.
It says that as the loanee club we would take his aggregate value from Toronto. And a quick search on google says that he is the highest paid RL centre on a salary of £430k. I can't see how we would give 4 players to Toronto that would add up to that figure unless they took some of our bigger names, in which case the deal would not make sense. We could take a player off his Marquee spot and give it to Leutele I suppose but I don't know who our lowest paid Marquee player is, and what he earns ?'"
I've found conflicting figures for Luetele's salary, one suggesting the £430k and him being the worlds best paid centre, and another here https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/uk ... s-compare/
Quote Ricky Leutele is one of Toronto’s two marquee players who is thought to command a salary of around £260,000'"
suggesting £260k.
£260k we could possibly work with if we are allowed to de-register Gelling from the cap finding another £160k over 4 players plus possibly a little bit of room in our current spend, the £430k sounds like a crazy figure (but then so does the salary being talked about for SBW).
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| Have you all spent the evening under the stairs hiding from storm Dennis and finding courage in a bottle of drain unblocker?
Are we really advocating offloading 4 players whether on-loan or not to bring in a Toronto centre, when our current backs get the type of service usually reserved for vegans at a carvery?
Whatever our problems, changing the centre won't solve them.
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| Quote ="Fantastic Mr Cat"kibula, brand, doro and robson.
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no way we can afford leutele though.'"
Why send 4 promising youngsters out when these are the type of players price should be using to freshen things up . I’m sure they would give more than some at wakey Sunday
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| Quote ="Saintflyer13"Why send 4 promising youngsters out when these are the type of players price should be using to freshen things up . I’m sure they would give more than some at wakey Sunday'"
Dear god, I agree. Top up my Port & Lemon someone.
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