Thought I’d start a separate thread for this one rather than put it in last nights game thread.

When Widdop comes in what do YOU with Ashton, I’m going to Chuck this one in for starters drop Charnley. My reason for this and someone else pointed it out is he is to embroiled in trying to win a penalty far to often, as some one else said Lineham is a better winger.

That’s just my thoughts.

Neither of your wingmen have Ashton's pace. He had a good game but Price surely cannot drop him after last night.
With Widdop and Austin in form and creating space for the outside backs Ashton has to be in the starting 13 each week.

You drop King or Gelling and shove Ratchford in the centre. We need some threat out there. Or shove King in the second row and drop Currie. Basically if Ashton carries on as he is then he has to start and at FB.

I see him as a Fullback. Not a winger.

With his ability we need him popping up all over the park latching on to breaks and floating round the ruck for offloads. With our play he'd be starved on the wing and his pace wouldn't be utilized.

Honestly. When Widdop is fit, if he hasn't done anything wrong I'd drop Ratch. No one should have a guaranteed starting shirt, doesn't matter who your name is. Ratch can either wait his turn or come off the bench as a piviot in the 13 role.

Ashton should keep the full back shirt regardless of who is fit.

Widdop & Austin in the halves, with Ratchford as cover in that position... When everyone is fit maybe play Ratchford in the centre or bring him off the bench.

King was outstanding last night. Gelling was bang average as was Currie.

Difficult decisions to be made. Ratch is the arguably the best fullback in SL and has spent the last couple of years honing his craft. For me, at this stage Ashton goes on the wing in place of Josh.

No way should Ratchford be dropped. Railwayman is right, drop Charley and put Ashton on the wing, but don’t think we need worry about this for at least another 2 weeks.

Yeah i'd drop Charnley in place of Ashton, and yeah i agree that there's no way Ratchford should be dropped.

Ratchford has to play. If currie looks like the weak link then sadly it should be him to drop out. Play King second row and ratch at centre for me. Will widdop definitely play in the halves though and not fullback?

MA has to play, he was a breath of fresh air. He has pace to burn and as such he is a threat to every team and something for them to think about when the gaps appear.

Ashton was outstanding last night. I'd never heard of him before watching that game, and when Clarke did his usual build up of the youngster I was sceptical, but you've got some player there. Probably too young to be playing every week, but he needs game time. Fabulous prospect. Good team wire have got this season, fancy you to win something.

Some interesting thoughts here, never considered the Ratchford thoughts. Thinking about it now though I think he would be a great 13, that said I get Ashton better in position he is in now but I’m just not happy with Charnley’s continued antics after the tackle refs just don’t buy it anymore.

John Pendlebury and Lockers are the type of player I like as a loose.
If Ratchford put on 16lb of muscle weight....he'd be ideal.

I must admit, it's wearing thin on me too.

There were several times last night where we were on the front foot and catching their defense struggling to make it back, only for Charnley to kill the momentum by flopping round on the floor. JUST GET UP AND PLAY THE F***ING BALL .

There was opportunity to either get a quick ball to Clark, Ratch or Ashton and break away behind the ruck or at the very least, win a penalty for catching them offside with our quick PTB.

Charnley comes across as someone who is very frustrated and then reverts to that deplorable “trapping” tactic

I was as impressed as anyone by Ashton's first game and it wasn't an easy game to make a debut in.

I am not sure shifting the entire team around to accommodate him is right though, Ratchford is (alongside Clark) our most consistent and potent attacking threat.

Very impresed with Matty Ashton, but let's not forget - it's one game (ok 2 if you include the testimonial).
I'll reserve judgment until end of round 3.

King is defensively excellent but is far too slow to play in the centre. Best game I saw him have for wire was when he got shifted to second row where his lack of pace isn't a problem. Ratchford in centre, king to second row in place of Currie would be my choice.

One thing I think we could learn from the NFL is the approach to bringing through (and judging) young players. It's about the media and fans not just coaches.

In the NFL, when a rookie comes on the scene they are generally seen as a project over time. Rookie year they are expected to be raw and make mistakes, they are given managed game time. They might be removed from some situations and its not seen as a big thing. Then their game time increases in year two and usually its around year three when the talented players have their 'break out' year and establish themselves. Fans/media tend to reserve judgement on whether a player is 'legit', a 'bust' or 'just a guy' till about year 3.

In the UK though the mentality seems to be different. If a rookie player is in and out of the side (to be expected when he's competing with established players), it is seen as a negative on the coaches: "his confidence is being ruined by this cycle of being picked/dropped/sent on loan". We always want rookies to do well but then once they are in the side we expect that to be it and them to be starters.

There's also a boom-bust cycle with rugby league fans where we are too quick to overhype young players when they first come on the scene, but then are quick to turn on them and write them off as busts. Kevin Penny being the classic example - after half a season he was being compared to Martin Offiah. Obviously when expectations are set that high there's going to be a backlash, and everyone was quick to pile on with 'lol, and they think this guy is the new Offiah...'. It creates an environment which is very hard for young players. Especially because there is often a 'second season dip', when opponents have tape on a player and weaknesses start to be targeted. A lot of young players start brightly then struggle to deal with their first dip.

With Ashton, I would take the NFL approach of seeing him as a 3 year project with a view of saying is he the man to be first choice starting fullback in 2023, and we can plan recruitment/retention decisions around that. I'd be comfortable with him making errors this year and so it should be about giving him some SL gametime, shielding him when necessary, but I don't see the need to have some big immediate controversy about 'Widdop/Ratchford have to prove they have the right to a jersey' - their record has proved that. If at some point Ashton spends long spells out of the team or is sent on loan I wouldn't see that as a negative, it's all part of his development.

What I fear will happen though is there will be a big clamour from the fanbase for Ashton to play every week - suspicion targeted at Price if he doesn't accommodate him in the line up somewhere eg shoving him out on the wing, and then if he goes through a rocky spell he will quickly get treated as the new Matty Russell.

I like the potential of having raw pace from fullback. I always liked Daryl Cardiss at Halifax and was excited when we signed him but injuries had already lessened him by the time he joined. So Ashton is an exciting asset to have, I just think we need to be careful about the timescale we expect from him and view this and next year as a development phase. If he ends up being so good that he is ahead of schedule and quickly establishes himself in SL then great.

He's definitely got it physically, the speed is there. He looks very raw and wasn't making the right runs or linking in properly, but he's got plenty of time to develop that if his long term future is at fullback. He was a centre/winger at Swinton wasn't he?

Very encouraging debut, looking forward to seeing more of Ashton in P&B.

Agree wholeheartedly about Daryl Cardiss. We never saw the best of him, sadly, but he was a great signing and a shame he couldn't deliver for the Wire.

Ashton has made a very impressive start but he's far from the finished article and he needs to be spelled. He'll get plenty of opportunities during the course of the coming year and we'll hopefully see his best over the coming seasons.

Strikes me as a man in a hurry to make up for lost time!