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| Losing game we ought to have won again...Hill and Cooper once again to blame as it was last season.
Nothing changes.
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| Hill is a liability for you. But both tries were caused by panic at being about to concede tries. It was a funny game tonight, had you scored again before Wigan hit back you could have mullered them. Wigan looked as bad as they were last season, possibly worse as their halves were so rusty. They have Hastings to get firing so should improve, but Burgess looks a waste of money.
Warrington should improve when Widdop and Austin are firing, but Hill needs a talking to. If I were Price I'd be taking the captaincy off him and tell him to run the ball in hard, tackle hard, not concede penalties and keep his mouth shut.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Hill is a liability for you. But both tries were caused by panic at being about to concede tries. It was a funny game tonight, had you scored again before Wigan hit back you could have mullered them. Wigan looked as bad as they were last season, possibly worse as their halves were so rusty. They have Hastings to get firing so should improve, but Burgess looks a waste of money.
Warrington should improve when Widdop and Austin are firing, but Hill needs a talking to. If I were Price I'd be taking the captaincy off him and tell him to run the ball in hard, tackle hard, not concede penalties and keep his mouth shut.'"
Can't argue with this, He shouldn't be captain at all. Should have been taken off him a few years ago.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Hill is a liability for you. But both tries were caused by panic at being about to concede tries. It was a funny game tonight, had you scored again before Wigan hit back you could have mullered them. Wigan looked as bad as they were last season, possibly worse as their halves were so rusty. They have Hastings to get firing so should improve, but Burgess looks a waste of money.
Warrington should improve when Widdop and Austin are firing, but Hill needs a talking to. If I were Price I'd be taking the captaincy off him and tell him to run the ball in hard, tackle hard, not concede penalties and keep his mouth shut.'"
Agree, been saying this for a couple of seasons. He hasn't flourished as captain on field and it interferes with his game.
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"Losing game we ought to have won again...Hill and Cooper once again to blame as it was last season.
Nothing changes.'"
One stood like a statue for the Bevan French try and then got himself sent off. The other committed a minor misdeameanour, which may or may not have saved a try, in an otherwise decent performance. I know which one I'd be dropping and which one I'd be keeping!
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| Not sure I'll be that bothered if Hilly gets a ban. Wouldn't have said that couple of years ago. His best years are definitely behind him.
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| Look at the difference in his performances at international level against for us, I believe the captaincy is the issue.
I also think last night was a combination of issues, he was desperate to stop a try (no complaint), but didn’t allow for the fact that Powell would be going down to ground the ball resulting in a horror tackle and an inevitable sending off.
Cooper’s penalty has to be seen in the context of a team desperately hanging on despite being a man down. Fatigue will have played its part, can’t really criticise him.
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| Quote ="Captain Hook"Look at the difference in his performances at international level against for us, I believe the captaincy is the issue.
I also think last night was a combination of issues, he was desperate to stop a try (no complaint), but didn’t allow for the fact that Powell would be going down to ground the ball resulting in a horror tackle and an inevitable sending off.
Cooper’s penalty has to be seen in the context of a team desperately hanging on despite being a man down. Fatigue will have played its part, can’t really criticise him.'"
Exactly this.... Anyone coming out and trying to blame Cooper for last night just looks foolish.
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| We have two goods props in Hilly and Coops. Hills discipline has been a concern for a while now. Should now just be concentrating on his game. Didn't agree with him being appointed captain in the first place and the coach now faces a potentially sensitive dilemma. For me, I would use the impending ban to facilitate the removing of him being captain. How you do that without it adversely affecting Hill and possibly other squad members I don't know, that is where man management skills come in.
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| Hilly was back to his best though when playing for England 3 months ago. A hard running ,skilful , ball playing forward who gets through his fair share of tackles. Perhaps his style is being stifled at the club.
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| Quote ="ninearches"Hilly was back to his best though when playing for England 3 months ago. A hard running ,skilful , ball playing forward who gets through his fair share of tackles. Perhaps his style is being stifled at the club.'"
I really think it's the armband. Let him be club captain and appoint Hughes as on field captain. Hill with discipline is still a very good prop, I think he was a little unlucky last night, definitely a red by letter of the law but there was absolutely no malice in it. Maybe a little more match sharpness and that doesn't happen.
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| What a grub Hill is, remember 2012-2015 when all he was interested in was making metres and playing the ball quickly.
Shame, could have been a great player.
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| Well at least he's left it til late to become a grub unlike your current vastly overrated young crop. Are Partington and Smithies trying to replace their missing chromosomes with steroids?
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| Quote ="ratticusfinch"Well at least he's left it til late to become a grub unlike your current vastly overrated young crop. Are Partington and Smithies trying to replace their missing chromosomes with steroids?'"
I bet they weren't interested at all in George burgess until he got done for eye gouging when he suddenly became a match for Wigan, up until that point they were too busy desperately trying to sign folau. Smithies seems to learn fast from his peers too. He's a good player but a grub of the highest order.
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| Quote ="NSW"What a grub Hill is, remember 2012-2015 when all he was interested in was making metres and playing the ball quickly.
Shame, could have been a great player.'"
The irony of a pie fan coming on here calling a wire player a grub after certains aspects of Wigans play last night specially a certain Mr Smithies
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| Quote ="wire-till-i-die"The irony of a pie fan coming on here calling a wire player a grub after certains aspects of Wigans play last night specially a certain Mr Smithies'"
Austin munched him the next tackle aswell, comes across and absolute bell smithies and deserves a few match ban no place for eye gouges/rakes in the game. Wouldn’t shock me if hill got a game or two. Silly as we were marching up field before he went off.
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| Price must take the arm band off Hill, he is a complete liability at present which is no change from last season.
Piemen calling other teams players grubs, wow just wow
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| Quote ="DizzyHeights"Austin munched him the next tackle aswell, comes across and absolute bell smithies and deserves a few match ban no place for eye gouges/rakes in the game. Wouldn’t shock me if hill got a game or two. Silly as we were marching up field before he went off.'"
Sure as eggs are eggs there won't be a ban for eye gouging....
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| Sorry but don't see the huge up in arms. It was a dead cert try and all Hill could to do to prevent that was to smash him. He waits until the ball hits the player and then tries to belt him and knock the ball loose. He does, but connected with the head, not malicious at all. I think if Hill hits the shoulders then Powell not expecting the hit would have lost the ball anyway. It was the right play and just wrong execution.
Had to be done in a split second and simply unfortunate.
Aside from that he was having a really good game bar the French try. Saw no reason IN THIS GAME to strip Hill of captain. Last few seasons though, sure.
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| props will be props... stupid thread... massive overreaction.
lets look at it 6-8 games in... one soft sending off and the other props played well. and we have a thread about props. Ridiculous.
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| Quote ="wire-till-i-die"The irony of a pie fan coming on here calling a wire player a grub after certains aspects of Wigans play last night specially a certain Mr Smithies'"
Eye gouge video doesn’t show Smithies hands anywhere near Austin’s face. Absolutely pathetic showing that from Austin, especially after the way he pushed Burgess over when he was getting back up (after being steam rolled by BMM). Needs to concentrate on rugby and not chasing the ref or that haircut.
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| Quote ="WARRIOR5"Eye gouge
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| Quote ="WARRIOR5"Eye gouge
video doesn’t show Smithies hands anywhere near Austin’s face. Absolutely pathetic showing that from Austin, especially after the way he pushed Burgess over when he was getting back up (after being steam rolled by BMM). Needs to concentrate on rugby and not chasing the ref or that poop haircut.'"
I agree it was't an eye gouge, but Austin doesn't accuse him of that, it was just grab of his face - seen worse.
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| Austin was definitely accusing of face rather than eyes, and he was livid. I think the disciplinary will find it inconclusive, the forearm to the throat however looked blatant and he will be lucky to escape sanction. (He being whoever it was!)
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