My horses for today:
Sheikha Reika Ascot 3.20 Generally 2-1 win
Bolder Bob Haydock 3.35 around 9-2 Ladbrokes 5-1 Coral e.w

Any one with any football bets for today?

This place is turning into a virtual reality town centre.

All we need is someone to start selling second hand 1980s Kylie CDs and copies of Alan Titchmarsh's autobiography for charity, and someone with a usename of ishoutatpigeons posting white-lightning inspired philosophies and the experience will be complete.

You can sleep in the driest doorway if you like.

Near bottom weight in handicaps at haydock today whatever the odds. It's peeing down relentless. It's a mudfest

Ha ha. A burger shaped burger van and the spud wagon.

Budge up in that doorway, Morrissey.

Did tell you.
Bottom weights in the sludge at Haydock...always.

You didn't name any horses, just made a general comment which told me nothing.
At least I gave you two horses to avoid.

I gave you the winning formula for Haydock in the heavy wet.
I also told you not to bet Growl until the Ayr Gold Cup.

Come on RD that's about as general as saying always back the good doctor or bet the jockeys with a blue cap.

You said that you didn't think that Growl would win, fair enough it didn't, but it was only beaten by two necks.

It's easier to say what will not win, as you've got the rest of the field in your corner, than it is to say what will win. So, for the fun of it, I challenge you to tip two horses next Saturday.

I do 3 goals or more in the footy had 3 up so far £9 and two £17 wins at a quid a line...put in a tin and see what we av come may...pays for trips out on holiday and duty frees in airport..I.ll put them on here next week so you can avoid em like the plague.if anyone's interested..

Pro jockeys can get as almost as little or as much as they wish.
2/3 necks to a craftsman horserider can be like a casually pacing behind a medium distance runner and doing enough to qualify for the final.
That's all Hannigan was doing... Keeping the horse so much in the frame as to prove his ability amongst horses around that class.

You can believe me Hannigan could have won that race if connections wished....so much so, that you convinced put him as your tip.
But I already knew the Good Doc had Growl entered in the Gold Cup.
If he won at York he'd be hit with a 7lb pull....how will that benifit him in the race?

For one, Paul Hanagan didn't ride Growl that day, and secondly the handicapper can still raise a horse a pound or two even though it didn't win.
It was too close to winning for it not to be trying, and there was money for it as it was longer odds in the morning. We'll just have to disagree.

Ok. Yes he put a good claimer on.
And no. He won't and isn't hit with a penalty.
Yes they can get hit between 1-3lb for a series of short heads 2nds...but not 2 necks.
A short head rule if thumb is 1lb in weight...but yes there are variants over distance.
And you said you want to disagree...that's fine...but agree or not, Growl could have won that race with ease....but he dunt and I told you he wouldn't....however he'll be unlucky not to win at Ayr.

RD, it's all academic as it's done and dusted.
Bold statement saying he'll be unlucky not to win at Ayr, as there will be big field for the prize money on offer.
Be interesting to see which horse Hanagan rides with George Bowen and Kimbrella also running for Fahey.

Well he's been targeted for this race all year.

3 or more goals games at Millwall Preston Peterborough Plymouth Macclesfield notts county Everton pays 47...3 or more goals at Huddersfield Norwich Rochdale Newport Stirling pays 34...3 or more goals at Chelsea Bolton Crawley port vale Ayr pays 20...3 or more goals at Newcastle Bristol city Coventry Colchester Stranraer pays 18....teams to score 2 goals or more Brentford Preston Walsall Wycombe. Carlisle Colchester pays 51. Bit of Saturday afternoon fun whilst avin a pint

Sky bet's boost at 7/1 ( chelsea, nal, palace looks descent) I've stuck a tenner on.

Gabrial the wire at Chester today.

Just had a go at that myself,was going to put £20 on but would only allow max bet of £15, annoying is that.

Fair odds at 7/1, this treble stands at just over 4/1 with Betfred presently.

My two to avoid:
Roaring Lion Leop 6.35
Too Darn Hot Don 3,.00
Short prices, done a double.

Curiously, I noted that Hanagan was riding one for Haggas rather than Fahey, in the same race.

....anyways.
GTW needs 6f and top of the ground.

Great shout Gazwire, I take my hat off to you!