He owns the club and must have put millions into it over the past few years, but is it time for him to call it a day ?

He has not won a GF yet and clearly many fans are not happy with the current situation, so perhaps he should call it a day and sell up. All owners move on at some point and although he has been very good at re-building a club in a 'poor state of repair' a few years back, all that money has not bought success.

Unless the club attracted another wealthy backer it would mean we wouldn't be able to buy as many players as we have in the past, and of course the club has debts (borrowings) of around £1.8 million (I think) which will need to be paid off, but perhaps the supporters could take a share in the club (£1,000 / supporter ?) which would give us a much bigger say in how it is all run and a seat on the Board.

Whilst his generosity is not in doubt, this is the trouble of all clubs with a wealthy benefactor. They are effectively at their whim. He has paid for that privilege.

Seeing the disagreement on here this season I don't know if fans representation on the board would be helpful. We would end up with someone like the Official Fan Club Nigel. Fast forward 20 years and you would find us playing Hemel Stags on Padgate Rec with Tony watching on from his mobility scooter.

I wish they would come out and acknowledge somethimg is very wrong, im sick of the continued thankyou for your support (insert smiley face) travel home safely. We know and they know this is unacceptable to the MAJORITY of us.

No definitely not. He is first and foremost a long-time supporter of the club before he invested, this club IS important to him.

The problem for me is complacency.

Before smith took over its was a club of mates Cullen was far too close to the players under him at the time which off course made it difficult for him
To drop anyone no matter how bad they played, this stood out a mile when Mr Smith took over. It was obviously a case of; I don’t care who you are or how good you think you are,
If you don’t put the effort in and earn your corn you are dropped or in some cases out.

I now think we have reached that stage again, Tony for me has become too close to the players, if this club has learnt anything it should be Keep it fresh that’s from the top down to the bottom.
For me Simon should certainly stay BUT should do what all good bosses should do and that’s have the balls to wheeled the Axe where needed, that is now.
The circle should now start again with someone new over the players with no elegance, and start with I DON’T CARE HOW GOOD YOU THINK YOU ARE !!!!

Jack.

No he shouldn't.

I'm not close to the club so others on here may well be able to comment but my perception is that Simon has taken more of a back seat and Stuart Middleton is taking more a role in the running of the club. Roger's departure I've always felt was odd (sudden) and suspect he and Stuart had different visions of the way forward.

This is pure conjecture on my part - trying to put two and two together - I might be coming up with 10 but interested on other people's thoughts / knowledge on this subject.

My own feeling is we need Simon to take more of role not less based on recent events.

The club needs some stability, so no, Simon Moran should not sell. We don't know if we will still be in the top flight next season, many players are off contract and perhaps even more will want away if we drop down; the coaching staff needs an overhaul and to be honest, from the outside, the whole club needs a good shake up. To do all that and for the man who supports the club emotionally and financially would be a disaster. How many supporters would be prepared to invest £1000 only for one of them to be on the board. And believe me, the last thing you want to do is to be on the board of a RL club, especially one that is struggling. So, Simon, please keep supporting the Wire but please use some of your business acumen and sort out this dis functional club.

Whaaaaaaaaaat!!!!!

I understand what you are saying, but simply because he owns the club (and admittedly puts £millions into it), shouldn't we as fans also decide when the coach should leave ? It's tough being a supporter atm, in fact I think a lot of posters on this board have given up and gone away. Surely supporters shouldn't have their weekend enjoyment ruined by a team that is continually plumbing the depths. We have the expectation that the team should be top 4 and playing attractive rugby at the very least.

Agreed, watching Warrington recently has been thin gruel, disappointing, frustrating and begs the question why do we do it. However, for every supporter you will get a different reason why we are doing badly, just read this forum. There are even less positive contributions as to what should be done to improve the situation. Fans by and large do not know enough about what is really going on in a club and all the various conflicting essential things which need attention. Perhaps they should but that is another story. The directors have the responsibility to deliver a successful team, it is in their interest but it is the responsibility of fans to let the directors know whether they are satisfied or not with the club's performance. So how many who criticise the club on here actually make their views known to the directors? Few I would imagine.

I don't want Simon Moran to sell the club, he is a fan first and foremost and what he has done for the club has been absolutely massive.

Why would he sell up? Does he need the money? I doubt it.

Crazy talk, he’s local, a lifelong fan of the club and a brilliant businessman.

Read Stuart MaConies book, The Pie at Night. It has a great bit in it about attending a Wire game, with Simon Moran, they watch the game in the south stand eating pies.

Every sports team in the world would love a Simon Moran. He can’t guarantee success, but he’s one of us.

Hope he never sells up.

Quote ="Wolf Hall"Agreed, watching Warrington recently has been thin gruel, disappointing, frustrating and begs the question why do we do it. However, for every supporter you will get a different reason why we are doing badly, just read this forum. There are even less positive contributions as to what should be done to improve the situation. Fans by and large do not know enough about what is really going on in a club and all the various conflicting essential things which need attention. Perhaps they should but that is another story. The directors have the responsibility to deliver a successful team, it is in their interest but it is the responsibility of fans to let the directors know whether they are satisfied or not with the club's performance. So how many who criticise the club on here actually make their views known to the directors? Few I would imagine.'" Hang on. 1) Positive contributions to improve situation. Plenty of comments on here about replacing the coaching set up with candidates named. Plenty of suggestions about playing players in natural positions and playing the younger players. Plenty of suggestions about dropping non performing players. Plenty of suggestions as to which players we could target for recruitment. 2) Making views known to directors. The fans forum has been abolished - by the club. The official fan club has been abolished - by the club. There is no contact link here https://warringtonwolves.com/club-info/ ... directors/. There is no channel other than Facebook and twitter which are full of feedback I can tell you. Seriously the only time the club contacts the fans is when they want them to buy something and I think they have a robot that posts "Bad news about the result, travel safely" on the FB feed.

Quote ="Wolf Hall"Agreed, watching Warrington recently has been thin gruel, disappointing, frustrating and begs the question why do we do it. However, for every supporter you will get a different reason why we are doing badly, just read this forum. There are even less positive contributions as to what should be done to improve the situation. Fans by and large do not know enough about what is really going on in a club and all the various conflicting essential things which need attention. Perhaps they should but that is another story. The directors have the responsibility to deliver a successful team, it is in their interest but it is the responsibility of fans to let the directors know whether they are satisfied or not with the club's performance. So how many who criticise the club on here actually make their views known to the directors? Few I would imagine.'" Hang on. 1) Positive contributions to improve situation. Plenty of comments on here about replacing the coaching set up with candidates named. Plenty of suggestions about playing players in natural positions and playing the younger players. Plenty of suggestions about dropping non performing players. Plenty of suggestions as to which players we could target for recruitment. 2) Making views known to directors. The fans forum has been abolished - by the club. The official fan club has been abolished - by the club. There is no contact link here https://warringtonwolves.com/club-info/ ... directors/. There is no channel other than Facebook and twitter which are full of feedback I can tell you. Seriously the only time the club contacts the fans is when they want them to buy something and I think they have a robot that posts "Bad news about the result, travel safely" on the FB feed.

Quote ="Wires71"Hang on. 1) Positive contributions to improve situation. Plenty of comments on here about replacing the coaching set up with candidates named. Plenty of suggestions about playing players in natural positions and playing the younger players. Plenty of suggestions about dropping non performing players. Plenty of suggestions as to which players we could target for recruitment. 2) Making views known to directors. The fans forum has been abolished - by the club. The official fan club has been abolished - by the club. There is no contact link here https://warringtonwolves.com/club-info/ ... directors/. There is no channel other than Facebook and twitter which are full of feedback I can tell you. Seriously the only time the club contacts the fans is when they want them to buy something and I think they have a robot that posts "Bad news about the result, travel safely" on the FB feed.'" Why don't you and some of the others on here you say make positive suggestions write to Simon Moran and the other directors and ask for a meeting so you could share your ideas as to how you could improve the club's playing fortunes? Writing on a RL Forum is unlikely to get a response from the club, just other like minded fans. The rest of us would be interested to find out how you get on.

Quote ="Wires71"Hang on. 1) Positive contributions to improve situation. Plenty of comments on here about replacing the coaching set up with candidates named. Plenty of suggestions about playing players in natural positions and playing the younger players. Plenty of suggestions about dropping non performing players. Plenty of suggestions as to which players we could target for recruitment. 2) Making views known to directors. The fans forum has been abolished - by the club. The official fan club has been abolished - by the club. There is no contact link here https://warringtonwolves.com/club-info/ ... directors/. There is no channel other than Facebook and twitter which are full of feedback I can tell you. Seriously the only time the club contacts the fans is when they want them to buy something and I think they have a robot that posts "Bad news about the result, travel safely" on the FB feed.'" Why don't you and some of the others on here you say make positive suggestions write to Simon Moran and the other directors and ask for a meeting so you could share your ideas as to how you could improve the club's playing fortunes? Writing on a RL Forum is unlikely to get a response from the club, just other like minded fans. The rest of us would be interested to find out how you get on.

Quote ="Wires71"Hang on. 1) Positive contributions to improve situation. Plenty of comments on here about replacing the coaching set up with candidates named. Plenty of suggestions about playing players in natural positions and playing the younger players. Plenty of suggestions about dropping non performing players. Plenty of suggestions as to which players we could target for recruitment. 2) Making views known to directors. The fans forum has been abolished - by the club. The official fan club has been abolished - by the club. There is no contact link here https://warringtonwolves.com/club-info/ ... directors/. There is no channel other than Facebook and twitter which are full of feedback I can tell you. Seriously the only time the club contacts the fans is when they want them to buy something and I think they have a robot that posts "Bad news about the result, travel safely" on the FB feed.'" Why don't you and some of the others on here you say make positive suggestions write to Simon Moran and the other directors and ask for a meeting so you could share your ideas as to how you could improve the club's playing fortunes? Writing on a RL Forum is unlikely to get a response from the club, just other like minded fans. The rest of us would be interested to find out how you get on.

Quote ="Wires71"Hang on. 1) Positive contributions to improve situation. Plenty of comments on here about replacing the coaching set up with candidates named. Plenty of suggestions about playing players in natural positions and playing the younger players. Plenty of suggestions about dropping non performing players. Plenty of suggestions as to which players we could target for recruitment. 2) Making views known to directors. The fans forum has been abolished - by the club. The official fan club has been abolished - by the club. There is no contact link here https://warringtonwolves.com/club-info/ ... directors/. There is no channel other than Facebook and twitter which are full of feedback I can tell you. Seriously the only time the club contacts the fans is when they want them to buy something and I think they have a robot that posts "Bad news about the result, travel safely" on the FB feed.'" Why don't you and some of the others on here you say make positive suggestions write to Simon Moran and the other directors and ask for a meeting so you could share your ideas as to how you could improve the club's playing fortunes? Writing on a RL Forum is unlikely to get a response from the club, just other like minded fans. The rest of us would be interested to find out how you get on.

Well that wont work, Why because as wire as said in his post they have shut down the avenues of contact that were there previously. We had a couple of fans forums with promises of more to come but Draper left and that was the end of that.

Can't believe the OP is serious. Warrington are lucky as hell to have a backer like Moran. As for a fans seat on the board? Jesus! What a shambles that would turn out to be. An utterly thankless task.

By all means go that way if you want to be playing us in a few years.

Going back to Roger Draper, when it was announced he was leaving i was surprised and posted on here i felt something wasnt right. Reason for that was at forums and other times i chatted with him he was full of enthusiasm about the direction of the club and more importantly FAN engagement, next thing you know he as gone, as i said something not right about that, can only guess other board members want to keep it like the mill owners of old.

Isn't the ultimate sanction of the paying fan to stop turning up for games ? The club will soon get the message if the cash flow dries up.
I will still be attending matches that my season ticket covers but as for next season the club will have to show me some commitment to get my hard earned cash.

this ^^^


I would not trust fans of any club to run the said club or to make any of the big decisions do I trust someone who has ran and runs a multimillion pound successful company to make hard desisions ??

Dear Simon

GET SMITH OUT NOW

Regards

MDC

ps.. stop buying rubbish players.... you can also knock that warm weather training on the head as well.

nothing wrong with warm weather training along as that is what they are doing...

Oh, I don't mean should we tell him to sell up. I am looking at the issue from his point of view - should he bother with all the aggro after the money he has put into the club and the time it must take away from running his other businesses ? Lets face it, we all get to a point where we say 'enough', and walk away. As fans we are fortunate because we don't have the time and money commitment that he does, so if we don't like what we are seeing on the pitch we can go for a game of golf instead. No, if he does pull the plug we will be in real trouble - but then as was previously mentioned, since he pays for the club its 'at his whim.

Didn't Philbin get an injury titting on a diving board?

Quote ="Dezzies_right_hook"this ^^^ I would not trust fans of any club to run the said club or to make any of the big decisions do I trust someone who has ran and runs a multimillion pound successful company to make hard desisions ??'" Just playing devils advocate, FC Barcelona is run by it's membership. They do OK. https://www.fcbarcelona.com/members/card/voice-and-vote whilst Blackburn Rovers FC are run by the Venkys management team who run a $1Bn turnover conglomerate. They have not done OK.

Quote ="Dezzies_right_hook"this ^^^ I would not trust fans of any club to run the said club or to make any of the big decisions do I trust someone who has ran and runs a multimillion pound successful company to make hard desisions ??'" Just playing devils advocate, FC Barcelona is run by it's membership. They do OK. https://www.fcbarcelona.com/members/card/voice-and-vote whilst Blackburn Rovers FC are run by the Venkys management team who run a $1Bn turnover conglomerate. They have not done OK.