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| This doesn't look good. Chris HIll is a lucky boy.
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| classic case of 'eye to finger'... nothing to see here.. almost
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| crikey the caption of the finger in the eye doesn't look good but when you look at the whole tackle I think you can give the benefit of the doubt to Hardacker, he isn't looking at his hand or Hills face, I doubt he's that clever to gouge some one in the eye and look away at the same time.
an unfortunate if stomach churning accident.
If I can add though....... this does sort of Highlight our softness these days imagine if that was on Peacock, or O'loughlin, they would have erupted like a holy mother chuffer swinging arms and then ranting at Refs until something was done.
I didnt even know that had happened till I saw Hills black eye on watching the recording, Chris Hill and a few others needs to get some Mongrel in them, we take all sorts of with embarrassingly good grace these days, Hopefully Ashton Simms will bring some extra balls with him when he comes next season. (figuratively speaking by the way thats not a pop at Woody)
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| Do you need to be looking at someone in order to locate their eye? It's fairly straightforward.
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| Expected nothing less from the homosexual hater.
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| Position of the hand and fingers says it all for me
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| dont worry nowt will get done...probably ban chris hill for having his head there...
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| Quote ="The Yellow Giraffe"Do you need to be looking at someone in order to locate their eye? It's fairly straightforward.'"
ah to be fair you cant make decision on a photo maybe I was being generous to Leeds and not wanting to be labelled a sour grape eater an idiot or crazy?
taking the photo alone as evidence as I didnt see the incident in the game it does look worse than Hocks eye gouge on Harrison . you could say he's got his fist on Hills face which is most likely to happen in a tackle so then you ask yourself why has one finger been unfurled and ended up in his eye socket???
Gaz hocks eye gouge was actually less dangerous than Hardakers as no fingers went in the eye socket like hardaker - Hock probably didnt do him self any favours by following it up with an uppercut.
I'd like to see the incident in the game to see what the reaction was as when Hock unleashed his fingers all hell broke loose even Matt King steamed in....
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| Considering sinfields efforts got a 2 match ban I would say he will get an mbe ?
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| Hardaker is a bigoted, horrible little scrote who fits-in well with some of his team mates.
Over to the RL.
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| Quote ="the flying biscuit"ah to be fair you cant make decision on a photo maybe I was being generous to Leeds and not wanting to be labelled a sour grape eater an idiot or crazy?
taking the photo alone as evidence as I didnt see the incident in the game it does look worse than Hocks eye gouge on Harrison . you could say he's got his fist on Hills face which is most likely to happen in a tackle so then you ask yourself why has one finger been unfurled and ended up in his eye socket???
Gaz hocks eye gouge was actually less dangerous than Hardakers as no fingers went in the eye socket like hardaker - Hock probably didnt do him self any favours by following it up with an uppercut.
I'd like to see the incident in the game to see what the reaction was as when Hock unleashed his fingers all hell broke loose even Matt King steamed in....'"
1.47:20 on the iPlayer. It's absolutely nothing at full speed.
In the replays it's clear Hardaker's hand touches Hill around the eye (not into the socket), but it's when he's trying to get his hands round Hill to wrap up the ball with Hill over the goal line. At full speed you can see his hand come away from the face as soon as he's touched it. There is no way anyone "goes" for the eyes there. The video ref and commentators also don't notice anything wrong over five slo-mo replays. Hill doesn't complain either. As a rugby player he'll have been poked or scratched in the eye accidentally many times before.
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| Quote ="craigizzard"1.47:20 on the iPlayer. It's absolutely nothing at full speed.
In the replays it's clear Hardaker's hand touches Hill around the eye (not into the socket), but it's when he's trying to get his hands round Hill to wrap up the ball with Hill over the goal line. At full speed you can see his hand come away from the face as soon as he's touched it. There is no way anyone "goes" for the eyes there. The video ref and commentators also don't notice anything wrong over five slo-mo replays. Hill doesn't complain either. As a rugby player he'll have been poked or scratched in the eye accidentally many times before.'"
Don't bother! Most Wire fans have accepted the result with good grace. It's a couple of losers trying to make an issue out of nothing.
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| I think the reason Hill and the team didn't react to this is because it wasn't obvious. Hocks was followed by a punch.
The slimy little rat Hardaker did it slyly and Hill obviously thought it was an accident as he couldn't see the tacklers and their positions.
With video evidence and his previous record of homophobic abuse he SHOULD cop a minimum 5 match ban. Gouging is a Grade E-F offence so the max he could face is a period suspension.
I believe the RFL will try and grade it as contact with the head or some bs so he only gets a couple games.
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| Even matt king steamed in?? I hope this was tongue in cheek mr.biscuit as i seem to recall king nearly always being first in when some biff broke out. I remember him flying in after baileys cheap shot on riley in the last second of the cc final.
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| A still picture can tell a thousand tales, i'll wait until a proper review before passing judgement.
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| Quite true about a still picture, but I commented on the fact he looked like he was gouging Hilly whilst watching it live so it can't have been off the face that quickly
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| But the RL rules do state that you cannot use a head guard as a lever or grip point to complete a tackle because it's attached to the head and therefore a head high tackle; so I guess we can blame (again) poor on field refereeing ??
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| Watched the match back, no doubt it is totally deliberate and Hill drops the ball in reaction to the gouge.
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| Thought it was deliberate at the time but maybe thats because I think Hardaker is a horrible scrote and my judgement is clouded.
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| Nothing will get done, I just hope Mr Hill gets a chance for payback (legally) the next time we play.
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| No surprise, ah well I am sure Hill has moved on already as should we!
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| Zak will be gracing the Wembley turf where he belongs. Have a sour grape for me, I don't like 'em.
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| Quote ="leeds owl"Zak will be gracing the Wembley turf where he belongs. Have a sour grape for me, I don't like 'em.'"
Whether Zak "graces" the Wembley turf or not, I'd say the lad needs to watch his step.
Acting the tit in an England camp, days before the World Cup starts, then throwing abuse around, the following season, isn't exactly endearing himself to the RL watching public.
Add to this, an accusation of gouging (some say he did, some say he didn't), he isn't gaining many friends, apart from the supporters of his own team, much in the mould of a certain "hardman" prop, the same team employs.
Sour grapes has nothing to do with it (I don't remember the incident, and have deleted it from my Sky+ box, and have no particular inclination to revisit it). The lad's going the right way to be thought of as the next Gaz Hock. And we all know how much of a whopper he is, eh chaps?
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| Quote ="leeds owl"Zak will be gracing the Wembley turf where he belongs. Have a sour grape for me, I don't like 'em.'"
good player who seems to get better year after year..its just a shame hes turning into a horrible little rat similar to a fb who used to play for a team just up the m6..and he copped a few dustings for his actions..and the same will happen to this latest member of the scrotes club..
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