I must have a fault on my laptop as there are no threads slagging him off today, wondering why?

Probably because he was pretty good yesterday.

He really upped his game yesterday. A couple of class offloads and some strong drives. Great credit to him as it was obvious he was making a big effort. A good number of posters have praised his performance on the Wire v Bradford thread. When the players were walking off at the end TS appeared to give him a pat of recognition as if to say 'nice one, good effort!'.

Let's not get carried away here.He did ok but still a bit lazy when you compere the work rate other players put in for much less money I'd guess.Got a long way go before I rate him in our best ever signings.

Credit too him, he was much better. But I'm not going to get carried away, it was only Bradford.

His efforts were less that of Hill and understandable but all round better than England. England's fitness is still way off although I do see improvement. He wouldn’t get starts in many other SL teams, we're shot in the prop department.

What he did yesterday is the absolute bear minimum of what I would expect from him.

Your going back a little on a post you made yesterday Yed.
I nearly choked when I read it.

He made 3 first man in tackles, he drove the ball in hard twice.
2 instances of putting B.Evans in a gap and about 15 2nd/3rd man in tackles.

Not exactly setting the world on fire is he, yet the apologists and the uber fans, those that would support a garbage player all season ( because that's what fans should do, a true fan supports no matter what) are on here saying look, look he had a game in which he DIDNT ACTUALLY SUCK.

Pathetic really

I have to agree with Yed, he had an alright game and it was certainly nothing special, he is still lazy in the tackle and seems to detest running back the 10 so will always be 2nd or 3rd man in the tackle.

He played well... still hasn't been anything more than a solid player - but to start slagging him off after obvious improvement seems a bit silly.

Just out of curiosity do we actually know whether he is on lots of cash? I know we all assume it as soon as a player from down under whose name we know signs on, but I can't remember ever reading it anywhere.

Somebody said last week £160,000 a year, not sure if they just picked that out of the air or if it is true.

I think the problem is that we shouldn't be at a game watching a seasoned professional, former international captain and picking faults in his game, he should be an example to everyone at the club as to how you should play the game.

A slight improvement in one game against Bradford does not suddenly put right the sheer non interest he has shown in every other game he has played. He still has a lot to improve on and from where he came from he should need no improvement!

I think his performance was a marked improvement from
before so there's something to be positive about for both none-uber fans and uber fans.

Any speculation about salary here is just that: speculation. No one knows outside of club officials, and they certainly don't post this sort of info.

Yeah it did seem to be a figure just plucked out of nowhere, probably to get peoples backs up!

He did give a candid interview on his form recently. It was fair and true to his word that we'll see a different player as he learns the new requirements of the British game.

Out of the 3 recognised props out there yesterday he at least wasn't the worst imo. But to be fair to England he is slowly getting up to fitness of a SL player.

I thought England was pretty good yesterday and looks like he's going to continue to get better. I know it's early but I can't believe Chris Hill is not getting mentioned in MOS conversations....and last time I looked he did not appear on the bookies list. He is streaking away as the best prop in SL. Fantastic!!

I think the critcism of England is a bit unfiar, RD. I thought in the first 30 mins he was actually our busiest, most effective forward including Hill.

Yes, his fitness needs to improve but I can see why we've invested in him, the potential is there and he was still better than Asotasi, NZ caps and all.

Wasn't England Injured when we got him? I get the impression he's been under cooked fitness wise from the start. England and Asotasi improving is a big boost to our season.

Agree about England.... massive potential, especially running at the line.

Hill would be a great MOS - but do props ever get a look in?

I previously had a pop at England, forgetting he'd been out injured for a while on top of coming from the Championship. Fitness was clearly an issue but with that improving everything else seems to be following, his ball retention has improved markedly and he's definitely starting to run his size....well done sir.

ball retention/catching simple passes was my big problem with him at the start of the year.

And yes to the previous poster, i had a word with a couple near us yesterday who were saying he's not a patch on chris hill, i pointed out to them that hilly had a full half season of training nearly full time with us prior to his first pre season, England was rehabbing his shoulder reconstruction so is behind hill in his development if you want to draw parrallels between them.

That said, if we can get his fitness up, we've got a very handy player there, we seem to use him a lot for short balls and spinning to offload at the line, and it seems to work well. Hopefully he knuckles down and becomes a chris hill, and not a tony tonks/stuart dickens/dom maloney

England was always going to start off slow for us, he is slowly starting to show what he can do and runs some good lines. He can learn off the best in SL in Hill and will improve as the year goes on.

I think next year he will be very good and providing no NRL clubs come in for Hill we will have two young powerful props for years to come.

I think you're right about England IW, plenty of effort and desire there to improve.

Any disappointment in him is a tad unfair, because I think it's all based on a comparison to Chris Hill who slotted seamlessly into the team, all be it into a more experienced pack and has been outstanding since Day 1.

FWIW Roy was ok for me yesterday and I hope that he continues to get better each week.