Lets not get too carried away we are no worse off than we were at the start of the day. We were two games from Old Trafford then and we still are now, we've got our bad performance out of our system now as well we wont play this badly again next week !

I'd bring in Bridge for Atkins though as he's had an absolute shocker today !

How does this reflect on Tony Smith though? Pure panic ball football in the play offs again? You've got to respect possession and territory in these games. The Grand Finals are usually tight affairs and you can't make mistakes in those or you lose (As Meli has proven so many times). Smith has to take some of the blame for that surely? The game plan is all wrong, unless that was all down to the players themselves, which I can't believe given it was the likes of Briers, Monaghan and Atkins doing it. In the Play Offs you've got to put the hard work in first, establish the territory and dominance of the game and then once you've done that those Hollywood passes would come off. Warrington didn't do that, it was just mindless offload, offload, offload whether there was anything realistic on or not.

Atkins had a shocker, but your pack was trounced, which is more concerning. You need Westwood back ASAP as the rest can't cope without him. Is Morley fit? He looks so out of form and mentally shot.

Atkins was shown up for what he is.

McNamara might be poor but he has made a correct decision in leaving Atkins out of the international team

Yeah Atkins isn't in the England squad is he?

We were never going to win when we have a completion rate like that. In all honesty we played like that against Widnes and Huddersfield but we still managed to wallop them because they're e. Saints were half decent and that's all it took to see off a wire side with no ideas.

On reflection we were atrocious.

Winning or losing today wasn't particularly important at all and doesn't really affect us in any way. This morning we needed to win three games to win the Super League trophy; right now we still need to win three games to win the Super League trophy. Nowt's changed.

As far as the actual game goes it's just the same as we've played bar one or two games all season. Even when we've scored 50's and 60's we've made more mistakes than any team in Super League. Today was one of those but our opposition actually defended against us.

I'm not disappointed really. We just need to win three games, simple as that.

I think the three Challenge Cup wins have papered over the cracks.

It's been coming. We made a ridiculous amount of mistakes in our last two games, even though we scored over 100 points.

I'm almost glad it happened as it is exactly what weve needed to give us a kick up the .

It's better it happened today than in two weeks time.

Good point Dan, the hard work begins in earnest...

Well let's be fair about this. Saints game with a good game plan, they worked extremely hard, sprinted off the line to tackle us, and had a good kicking game. Credit to them, despite their errors, they played very well.

I think one of our biggest problems was the fact that we missed two very strong tacklers in Westwood and Harrison. They get through a huge amount of work, and we missed that. Then there were the errors, which destroyed our ability to attack Saints and achieve good field position ( and the Grix missed try amongst them). And of course that produces the double whammy of having to do a lot of defending.

I thought Myler was exceptional with his tackling, but he didn't have the space to create anything. Ditto Ratchford. Losing Carvell was a big blow and gave the forwards even more work. For once Hill looked tired and out of sorts. And of course losing Hodgson was also a blow.

All in all we played poorly, made a lot of errors and lost two key players to injury. They will have to do it the hard way now.

I struggled with the new rules that take effect in the playoffs. So I can understand why the players were a bit off.

Sky go on about the ramp up in intensity but that doesnt happen in the play offs, the games are simply refereed differently.
Pulling up players for not having two feet behind the line......then Wellens stands in front of the pads......it was a joke tonight. but that was no excuse for the shocking ball control.

that said we looked like rabbits well and truly in the headlights.

awful every man Jack of em.... simply awful.

a great wake up call is the only positive to be taken from tonight.

Well and truely owned tonight.

Just an off day for Warrington, you are far better than that. Your pack was absolutely owned by ours but on another day, it could have been the other way around. Still don't rate myler one bit and isn't a patch on Lomax and Atkins once again shows why he is the most overrated player around

It was a very similar performance by both sides to the game in March.

Just a 'bad day at the office'.
Saints have been dissapointing for most of the season (but have now won at W**an & Warrington last 2 games), but on the day......'owt can happen
Good luck in your next game (whoever it maybe)
Sure you'll be a lot better next time out.

a Leyther

Tonight just proved rotation doesn't work all rotation did was cost us the hub cap !
It would be unfair to pick on individual players as a team we were garbage we made Catalans look good v pies last nite !
We lacked on the pitch and off it the north and east stand turn out was abysmal call yourselves supporters hang your heads in shame u bunch of partimers !
Saints won't win it and we won't play that poor again !

I don't know about that. There were 7000 at Wigan last night and there are very similar empty seats at Leeds now.

These games are no bigger than the early rounds of the Challenge Cup. Plus not everyone can afford tickets for every game.

Not to mention that the South Stand is the cheaper of the 3 stands.

But hey, let's not let facts get in the way of another ridiculous rant by Padders.

A player of Morley's experience and standing in the game Mentally shot..?? i've heard it all now...
We had an off night it happens...! By that i mean the whole team..

Too much dropped ball did us no favours ,Saints did to us what we have done to other teams, they got in our faces & didn't allow us to play so the runners couldn't get into the game properly.To me Ratchford didn't look fit especially when he dropped out after Hodgson had gone off .Hopefully Atkins will have a stormer next week & hopefully in the following round if we get there.What stuck in my mind though is that the last time the team were convincing was the week of the 2 league wins at Saints & against Wigan , even at Wembley they weren't at their best.
Once Saints got into there stride after half an hour it looked like there would be only one winner.

I wouldn't normally agree with Padders, but I've expressed concerns about this, and it could well be right. Saints were outstanding, congratulations to them, but we had no answer. Their line speed was incredible and ours wasn't, instead we looked tired and confused. We did this to everyone last season - do we not have a game plan for if it happens to us?

That's what it looked like to me - plan A or bust. Long passes, offloads and a fairly flat line are a terrible idea against such a defensive effort, but it seems to be all we did, and Briers should have been dropping back further as soon as we saw how quickly they were putting pressure on him (and only him, since despite having 3-4 other good kickers he kicked pretty much every time, so they didn't need to pressure anyone else).

Our plan A is great and I love watching it when it's working, but we desperately need some backup plans when it doesn't work, and have done all season.

Is that it, you just had a bad game? You are not telling me Morley was his usual self tonight? There was no power, none of the effort to put the big shot in when you were being dominated to try and change things around.

Perry's performance just was invigorating.

The whole team had a bad day at the office..I understand you may want to have a cheap shot at Morley for all he's achieved in the game but he wasn't the reason Wire didn't perform tonight...!

Perry was Wires MOM at one stage. Thought he was doing his best to give penalties and ball away.