Thought King would be in it.

He's been outstanding.

Twice the player Joel Monaghan has been. That would be my only real objection to the side.

I reckon I'm the only one on here who picked Menzies.

I wouldn't have personally picked him but at the same time can't really argue with the selection. Manu or Hoffman can't have been far off but there's a lot of decent 2nd rowers about.

The right choice at hooker I see.

It's a slight embarassment that Menzies is in the Dream Team though isn't it? He must be 39 now?

Mike Monaghan left out



Could not be more shocked, best player in the league for me this season

If Steve Menzies was an unknown french kid at the start of the season who played for Catalan in the second row there is no way on earth he would have made the dream team. There on reputation and standing within the game rather than 2011 performances.

Has a player ever been MOS but not in the dream team?

Is the inclusion of Menzies an honour to a truly fine player, or a sad reflection on the other back rows playing in SL? I would say it's the former.

Not really.

Age is just a number isn't it, on the occasions I've seen Catalans this year he's been fantastic, the game against Bradford on SKY stands out when Ferriol got his marching orders.

They've taken plenty of big scalps this year and have played without Bosc all year, his leadership will have been invaluable.

www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011 Compare Menzies to Westwood. You won't get too many on here saying that Westwood isn't a deserved inclusion, well for me, Menzies stats are equally as impressive, irrespective of his age.

www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011 Compare Menzies to Westwood. You won't get too many on here saying that Westwood isn't a deserved inclusion, well for me, Menzies stats are equally as impressive, irrespective of his age.

Sad One you are way off the mark, Monas has been the best Hooker in the comp this year without doubt.

I'd maybe agree he's been the best hooker, but its not without doubt. Roby has been awesome all year, they are just different styles of player.

Leave the club bias out of it and take a look at Roby. It's impossible to leave him out. He is a phenom.

Averaging, thats right averaging, nigh on 200m and 40 tackles a game.

Roby and Monaghan are both great players but Monaghan has a problem and its a major one.

Sorry he is not Roby. Roby seems to be the darling of some of the media i would have had Monaghan in as the better of the 2. But Roby got MOS 2-3 years ago when clearly Trent Barrett was the better player.

I do believe he might be the love Child of Stevo



For legal purposes thats a joke.

If he is not in the dream team i dont think he will get MOS but i might be wrong. Personally i think Sam Tomkins has produced some incredible stuff this season and so has Monaghan. I just hope one of them gets it and not Roby.

The MOS is selected from the dream team I think.

SL coaches have to produce strategies/gameplans to stop the likes of Monaghan, Roby, Tomkins, Chase, Briers, Lomax etc each week. I suspect that if it was they rather than a bunch of journos who came up with the dream team we would see some different faces.

If the players get to vote on their peers for Man Of Steel, then I think the SL coaches should vote the Dream Team.

To the detriment of Saints at times I imagine... Saints get a roll on, have the opposition disorganised, and instead of swinging the ball out and scoring, Roby darts 10 metres up the pitch and is tackles.

Whereas Monaghan 9 times out of ten will choose the right option, and is a big reason for us amassing so many points this season.

This is the reason the aussies beat us so comfortably, they have player with brains and skills, we just have brawn.

Yes on 2nd thoughts he has not been the clear best hooker in the Comp and Roby has been great for Saints.
But Monas should have been in the SL Dream team ahead of Roby.

Agreed, he's an unreal workhorse, you can't help but see that with the naked eye without the need for statistics. I do think he is a physical freak, a one off.

Only problem is, you could counter-argue that by saying that he's ineffective, or his style doesn't lend itself to making you guys successful, as you've not beaten any of the big sides this year and have found yourselves well off the pace this year, for all of his good work.

Or you could argue that the fact that we're pretty obviously beneath the top 2 means it's even more impressive?



I don't agree he's ineffective, he's made breaks in key games for us this season and we've just put the ball down. He doesn't steal plays by going on his own very often either. I'd bet 90% of his metres are made between the 20s.

Ron you make a good point here.

Regarding Roby and Monas, both excellent hookers and both deserving of a place in the dream team - shame there can be only one - and further to my message regarding coaches selecting the dream team. It would be interesting to know which player is the greater 'headache' to opposition SL coaches when planning for games against Saints or Wire. I may be biased, but I suspect Monas.

I don't necessarily think he's ineffective either in all honesty, quite the opposite as he's a player I fear when we play you guys. I don't think he's somebody that a team can play off, more that you can play off the back of him. It's not just the metres he makes, it's the two plays that follow that hurt you too.

I've no problems with his inclusion as dreamteam hooker. I would always take Monaghan for us and Roby for you guys, especially in recent years when you've gone one out play'tastic.

Roby is perhaps the best athlete in world rugby, if you view him as a forward playing hooker, he's the best there is. If you view Monaghan as a halfback playing hooker, in a creative role he's the best there is without question too. I guess Monas would be the sort of 'hookers hooker', the Stevo's of this world, Lowes etc will appreciate his art.