Does anyone think Ritchie has had a stand out or even very good performance for us so far this season?. I have seen every game and with the exception of the friendly at Leigh he hasn't.

I hate to say this but he seems lost without Briers. So much for Andrew Johns taking his blinkers off. I hope that he gets some confidence because at the moment I don't see this as money well spent.

He's 19 years old. He's been solid with a few sparks. Watch him flourish when Briers is back.

But can he cut it without Briers ?

Not yet no, although there was little criticism of him over the previous three weeks. Could Eastmond without Pryce acting as foil, or Tomkins without Leuluai?

Nail on head. He needs Briers.

Does anyone else think Solomona is making a better effort at wide pivot than Grix when he comes on the field?

Jesus fccuking christ he's 19 and still learning

We can't afford to let him learn or even carry a player and try and win the league. I appreciate we have had our best start for years but we need him to step up quickly as we cant expect King to put in MOM performances every week we win.

Atkins thread anyone?

He needs Briers desperately, he can't create alone. He needs to feed off a more dominant halfback. Last night, we put so much through Solomona it was untrue. This happened because he's the more likely to create, moreso that Myler. We overused Solomona I felt really.

Grix isn't a halfaback, he's a loose.

Get Briers back, and look a that option. Get Solomona back on that left edge, out wide. He's far more dangerous connecting with the left edge than right.

Richie will be our top try scorer this year. I actually think he was the better of our three pivots last night trying to mix things up a little, but as has been said already on here , he's only going to get better and better the more he plays with Briers. He will pick up a lot of Briers organisational and kicking skills over the next year or two so if you add that to his already fantastic support play, we will have a special player on our hands for the next 12 years or so.

Why is trying to win the league this year so important? And why would it be purely Myler's fault if we can't/don't?

I think you have set your expectation levels way too high - personally I'm looking for another good set of performances in the cup, and a good strong finish to the season in the playoffs. Anything more than that would be a huge, gratefully received bonus.

Winning the league is important, why bother entering a competition and not having the aspiration to win? I'm sorry but this is a defeatist attitude. TS may say its only about the performances but we all know thats a load of b*****cks if we are sat at the bottom of the league having put in some good performances.

We won the cup, we need to believe !

I'm with you, but it does worry me a touch when you look at Eastmond, and then Richie.

I know they're completely different players, and I'm not going to start bagging a kid who's played 7 games for us, it's just, well, i'm mildly worried about his lack of creativity - I'll put it like that. Can you learn - sure he can, but to have got to the level he's at, you'd have expected him to have more.

Of all the players in team, Briers injury has probably helped him the least. Getting Briers back training & playing, and getting some continuity will help him.

There is a huge difference between aiming to win the league and expecting to win the league.

Leave the team and TS to take care of aiming to win the league - and leave the fans to take care of supporting them, but [iplease[/i don't go on about winning the league in the way you do, because it makes it sound like you expect them to do it, and ultimately makes you look like a tool.



So what? Yes we won the cup, yes it was a great experience - that does not give us, as fans, the right to set our expectation levels so high as winning the league the following season... If TS and the players want to talk about aiming to win the competition in amongst themselves and in the media, that's a good thing, they are aiming for the right prize, but that doesn't give you the right to expect them to achieve it this season either.

Can I ask a question? How old are you?

Creative half back no, but the guy is like a ghost, almost every break he's there in support. He's not Lee Briers but who is? The lad is 19 ffs. Can we have some perspective please.

Richie Myler is very much the same type of player as Shaun Edwards who had the same knack as Richie Myler in following players who make the break / half break and finishing off. Edwards scored shed loads of tries but you must bear in mind the Pies had Ellery Hanley at loose forward acting as chief playmaker. With the best will in the world Ben Harrison isn't an Ellery Hanley. He's a promising young prop forward.

Absolute rubbish.
Hanley was never a playmaker and Edwards scored most of his tries after Ellery left.

Hanley wasn't a playmaker ? Lord, give me strength. I never did like him when he was playing, mainly because he did us so much damage but to say he wasn't a playmaker suggests to me you never saw him play. He was one the most creative players I ever saw.
It pains me to say it but he was one of the all time greats. Not a very nice man but a great player.

I saw a lot more of Hanley than you ever did. He was great player yes, but not a play maker. He was a running player, not a passer, in fact his passing was quite poor.
That is why Graham Lowe moved him to loose forward and brought in Gregory to partner Edwards.

How do people rate danny mac at leeds, richie is a very similar player for me only he's 19.
You'll get the odd good kick here and there, an occasional flash of brilliance but the real skill behind there types of players is when they don't have the ball.

I agree. Grix is never a stand off in a million years as much as I like him.

you are totaly way off the mark fellow ,you musnt know anything about the game if you thought hanley was a play maker ,thats one thing he wasnt ,

You can ask, and I am in my 40's and have been successful in life so far, career etc, by believing that I can do it and aiming for what I want. This is all I am asking for wire. Success should bring the desire for more & more success, my experience is that people who aim for mediocrity achieve exactly that. This wasnt a dig at RM, I would love him to succeed but don't think he is quite performing to the standards expected at this point in time. The same could be said of King a couple of years ago and now look at him.

Myler looked better at Salford. Possibly because he had to be a one man army.
Give him time, as everyones alluded to; 19 years old