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| I’d take Fatima Whitbread as prop thanks
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| Fantastic Mr Cat:Jake the Peg:Fantastic Mr Cat:Jake the Peg:
You need to follow the lead of leeds and Hull who have both appointed experienced NRL coaches but also new DOR's who actually know what they're doing recruitment wise, and then let them get on with their jobs with no interference - easy at Hull where the owner is the father in law of the DOR (although now CEO but still doing the DOR job).
No surprise both clubs are on an upward trajectory.
Appointing burgess was always going to be a big gamble, which rarely pay off
it didn't take an awful lot to get hull better than last year, and they're not without their issues by any means, and very similar with arthur, whilst Leeds whilst improved are still liable to bloody awful perfomances/results, and they've had the same thing with arthur potentially with one foot out the door, either staying on after he was originally appointed and also with the perth job. The point is both are improving whilst you're getting worse des0ite spending lots of money ey year in, year out. Hull have gone from terrible to ok in a season so I'm confident they will c9ntinue to i,prove in the next year or two. Wire seem to have no real recruitment strategy in place And my point is, you're not as improved as we were last year under a new (rookie coach) come back to me in 18 months True but that was last year..in the present they're both above us.which shows what can be done...as far as we are concerned it's not going to get better next year or the years ahead
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| Jake the Peg:Fantastic Mr Cat:Jake the Peg:
You need to follow the lead of leeds and Hull who have both appointed experienced NRL coaches but also new DOR's who actually know what they're doing recruitment wise, and then let them get on with their jobs with no interference - easy at Hull where the owner is the father in law of the DOR (although now CEO but still doing the DOR job).
No surprise both clubs are on an upward trajectory.
Appointing burgess was always going to be a big gamble, which rarely pay off
it didn't take an awful lot to get hull better than last year, and they're not without their issues by any means, and very similar with arthur, whilst Leeds whilst improved are still liable to bloody awful perfomances/results, and they've had the same thing with arthur potentially with one foot out the door, either staying on after he was originally appointed and also with the perth job. The point is both are improving whilst you're getting worse des0ite spending lots of money ey year in, year out. Hull have gone from terrible to ok in a season so I'm confident they will c9ntinue to i,prove in the next year or two. Wire seem to have no real recruitment strategy in place Thar experienced coach showing his worth again today
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| We could do a lot worse than take lessons from Hull FC fans on seeing the bright side. They have only got one more win than us but are happy to give us a sermon on how they've cracked the code.
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| Objectively he's probably the best available. The "he hasn't won trophies" thing is an interesting discussion point. If a coach has a CV of winning trophies it usually means 2 things. 1) He won them at a well run club like Wigan, Saints or Leeds where they have consistently good recruitment, top talent coming through the Academy, and 2) He is a good coach who knows how to handle big name players, develop young talent, run a good system, keep his head in big games
1 alone isn't enough. Lots of coaches have been to Wigan/Saints/Leeds and underwhelmed and got the boot. But what happens if you have 2 without 1? Millward at Cas. Noble at Salford. Monie or McDermott at London. The success doesn't translate.
Tony Smith is a good example of a coach who ticked the second box. Won 2 Super Leagues at Leeds, but got relegated at Hudds, and didn't do much at the two Hull clubs. Took over a Warrington side that was stacked with talent but had been underachieving under Cullen and Lowes and won 3 Challenge Cups. When the big stars retired or moved on it wasn't so good.
McNamara did an impressive job with Catalans. They were a strong side and he went through a lot of seasons, players coming in and out, and they were generally always competitive and well organised and looked like a real team. Does he tick box 2 above? There's a good chance that he does. But I think it's a moot point with us, because right now we don't tick box 1. So he might be Tony Smith at Hull rather than Tony Smith at Leeds or early days at Wire.
This is going to be the issue whoever the next coach is. So for me it's not about us "getting the appointment right". Without significant changes at the club the next coach will fail. Guarantee, 100%. He will be the source of blame on this forum, people will say its his tactics or team selections or man management, but it will all be a red herring distracting us from the real issues.
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