I fear we will get worse before it improves. Personally I can see that they are trying to play a more expansive rugby and taking risks that under price we would never see . They have not executed the moves well and at times slipped back to "price mode" hopefully we will see a big turn over if players from this squad in the off season.

That is not to detract from a very good performance by Wigan, field and french have both been worth the patience in recovery. And have really put us to the sword in this second half.

What's starting to worry and annoy me more is wane and peet are more defensively minded coaches, is this attack really the result of Lee briers being more hands in than at Warrington ??

Plenty of (unfortunately) accurate criticism on here today bottom line is we aren't good enough second and a poor one at that in every department.

Line speed in attack and defense, the Farrell try where we just backed off Magoo, Discipline getting pinged for 6 again's and penalties like Wigan needed any help to march up the pitch and just generally poor poor play conceding three carbon copy try's in that first half blitz was criminal. Surely you'd be ready for the next one and be rolling your sleeves up rather than rolling over.

BTW as much as we were bad Wigan were slick in attack and resolute in defense orchestrated by puppet meister O'Loughlin

The scoreline flattered us and i'm not sure we'll be getting better anytime soon as we don't seem to have a set up that's listening or learning. The supposed easier teams coming up after Saints and Catalans will be looking forward to pitting their wits with us

Wakefield have already shown us where we are as a team at the moment.

Not sure how long this mediocre garbage will be tolerated by the fans.

My tuppence worth…
1) The coach has to take some responsibility for the defensive display. It looked to me that our left edge had been told repeatedly how great Wigan”s right sided attack was and panicked whenever the ball carrier came towards them. We weren’t defensively soft last year, suddenly we are. It isn’t only the players that need to look at themselves.
2) The downside of playing younger players is that confidence can be in short supply when things go horribly wrong. I’m not blaming them just pointing out that you have to take the rough with the smooth.
3) It was one of those matches where everything the opposition does works, combined with a horror show for us.
It will be interesting to see how the coach responds (actions not words).
I agree that Holmes has done very little so far, I think Matautia has been a real curates egg so far, jury is out.
Ps has Cull been ill? I hardly recognised him.

As has been mentioned many times the Wigan right edge tore us apart & frightened us to death. I think Cust, Thornley, Field & French haven't played together much this year. If they stay fit they will be a threat to everyone.
I still think Saints will beat Wigan as they should be able to keep Wigan's right edge away from their line.
The four have much more collective pace than our left edge and (all things being equal) pace
usually wins unless you are playing in 6 inches of mud/rain/wind.

Yes, ominously Saints beat Wigan over Easter by the same margin Wigan beat us.