Not for the first time I do not see what point you are trying to make.

Without detracting from the excellent contributions Morley, Monaghan and Carvell made, they did indeed play in a league of full time professionals which means they played on a more even playing field. Furthermore they did not win three challenge cups on their own. They were an important part of a good side.

The reason Boyd, Tamati and Jackson are lionised was that, although they did play in a part time side when the only full time side was the Wigan all stars, home and away, this front row, though underdogs, really took it to Wigan good style. Andy Goodway told me that he hated playing against Warrington at that time because they knew they would have to earn their corn and have a torrid time in the bargain. One of the Warrington/Wigan fixtures at that time was described as World War Three and was Rugby League theatre par excellence. On their way to winning the 1986 Premiership Final the Wire team, with this front row, beat Wigan at Wigan which, at that time was the stuff of folk lore. I personally think that this pack would have led us to more glory but for the defection of Andy Gregory to Wigan as he was undoubtedly world class and a vital member of the side.

I do not like to compare heroes from different generations as the context in which the game is played changes and the game is much more sanitised today but, without detracting from the many great front rowers we have had over the years, Boyd, Tamati, and Jackson were indeed a fiercely formidable front row.

Just read this article on Les Boyd on "Era of the Biff" site.......Quite funny, & highlights Boyd`s reputation with opposition players:-



Les Boyd. Having read all the stories of Les I couldn't add anything myself although I do recall most of those by others.

My story comes from a mate of mine who was playing against Warrington for St Helens. Many of you will remember Harry Pinner from his Saints days and he went on to play for Great Britain, Widnes and (he'll kill me for this one) Carlisle. He was also assistant coach to John Monie at wigan.

Well this is his story of Les Boyd. Don't know the date but it was a sunday afternoon at Knowsley Road, St Helens, and Les is driving the ball forward and is tackled by two saints players but refuses to go down and is trying to offload.

Saints hooker Graham Liptrot comes in third man and completes the tackle knocking Boyd to the ground on his back. Not content with that Lippy decides to let boyd have one, a forearm accross the nose that is.

Harry as saints captain quickly pulls Lippy off the tackle and begins to tell him what an idiot he is and how Boyd would kill him.

Lippy unconcerned tells Harry "don't worry I'm going off, I've just seen my number held up on the touch line". Harry looked over and sure enough the number 9 is held up and Lippy duly trots toward the touch.

As the trainer spots Lippy coming over he looks at the number held aloft and immediately turns it over to bring the five eigth (stand off) off.

Lippy somewhat pale by now returns to the fray, dreading the next scrum. The next scum comes and there's no way Lippy is getting in that front row with Boyd. He asks Harry to pack at hooker which he declined saying he was dreading going in at Lock (loose foward). No one else would swap so Lippy went in. I don't need to finish the story you can all guess what happened, but it involved a stretcher.

Harry asked me to put this on for him hope you enjoy it.

If you want to include Harry on your where are they now he runs a pub in Grappenhall Village, near Warrington called the Parr Arms.

Now thats a story, brilliant!

haha, brilliant

I always liked Pinner a great all round player and kicker, as Boss mentions one of the many great story's around about Boyd.

Was a good player, Harry.

I'm just mystified how he never went into male modelling, though