I'd agree with that, though the 'second chance' thing is rot..... Wire and Wigan do not get a second chance, only a weekend off, which in recent times is being proved to be no sort of advantage and more of a hindrance.

Go back to the pre-Super League top 8 play off system, which was a straight knockout and then you will have a competition that gives an advantage to those finishing in the top 2.

I am quite plased that you used the word 'claimers' rather than an obvious alternative, but I would still disagree with a concept that theoritically 'allows' a team from the bottom half of a league structure that will have lost more games than they had won in a season to be called Champions.

I like the GF concept but in my opinion it should be an additional series of games with winners of the League called the Champions. The reward could be financial inmuch the same way that the Div 1 play off is called the biggest game in football or entry into an expanded WCC

We tell Huddersfield fans this but they won't listen either. But i imagine after the harsh lesson this season of failing to make the grand final, the penny will final drop. The LLS is good for the ''new kid on the block'', but once you've got it won and it's out of the way, it's worthless and it's all about the grand final.

2012 LLS Wigan GF Leeds GF runner up Wire
2011 LLS Wire GF Leeds GF runner up St H
2010 LLS Wigan GF Wigan GF runner up St H
2009 LLS Leeds GF Leeds GF runner up St H

is what has happened since we went to top 8. The obvious conclusion is that on recent experience, we have done the right thing by sending Leeds to Wigan (and we'd have done the same with St Helens). Twice the LLS have won the GF, twice they haven't been there. The common theme is that Leeds do not lose many play off games.

-cept for 2 wks ago