Where the hell did this ridiculous phrase come from. Serious question btw!

When you win the league you are 'champions' however when you win the cup you are the 'cup holder' or 'cup winner'.

Nobody in the long and great history of the challenge cup including Wigan, Saints, Widnes, Bradford and Leeds etc have ever concocted this BS phrase that you guys are spouting.

Get it right please. You have won the cup and in fact retained it. You are not the Champions of a cup competition. It is the incorrect terminology.

Congratulations btw. Great performance at Wembley but nobody is the 'champion' of a cup competition, they are the winners or holders. Get it right please.

You sound like americans with this made up phrase.

Why are you so worked up about it? To be that interested and reply in less than 5 minutes flat. Been on the forum all day waiting for me to post?



The phrase just sounds ridiculous as I've said. That is all. If you think it's that insignificant why post back?

why post in the 1st place...its not that important is it...

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Why do you make the cringeworthy claim in your signature that Saints are the best rugby league team this country has produced in the modern era? We all know that's not true and we all know who the best rugby league team in the modern era were.

IMO I think the champions are those that finish top of the league after the 27 rounds and have been most consistant although I do like the play offs it is a money making exercise so in my eyes WIgan are this years true champions