all of them are playin hard i would like to see anyone try i really would and you are just layin it think i think it is stupid you should respect any player that has the guts to out there and get hurt or anything like that you all are stupid i aint bein funny but you try and go out there and play that game i bet you would fall down like a bag of s**t

My thoughts, as I posted on the Wigan site which you may or may not agree with but should promote open debate.

"My big concern is the English pack.

They've been built up as the best pack in the comp, and on paper they look it.

However, in last years World Cup they came off second best against Australia and New Zealand, and in truth didn't really dominate against PNG.

This year they managed to overcome what was essentially a NL1 Wales pack, and if we are brutally honest were outplayed by France until France had to bring their subs on (the French sub bench was very weak)

So it's time for this England pack to deliver, because if they don't it will be embarrassing."

I think we'll need another prop on the bench. I would use Carvell but it may be Crabtee.
Westwood would probably be the one to miss out.

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I must admit the pack has underperformed, Ellis being arguably the one to have underperformed the most. I believe the main issue is the service from hooker, both Roby and Moore are not really performing.

If the service isn't there most packs will struggle to get going.