Just watched the England Kiwi game and i can honestly say i dont think we will win one game.We looked poor in every department.No idea,no passion and no leadership.

England dont have one world class player,not one player stood out to me.Briscoe and Goulding are not international wingers,Brown should have not even been considers for this tournament.Atkins missed 3 tackle in the run up to the Kiwis second try.

I think we dimiss Englands chances of winning this trophy.

i dont think anybody on here ever gave them a chance in the first place!

Anyone heard how bad or otherwise Atkins' injury is?

Thats a bit tough on Atkins, he missed three tackles coz he was basically trying to tackle the runners on his own. Everybody else just stood there watching. Like you say though, the never even looked like they stood a chance.

Nah mate, he made two powerpuff attempts to tackle by tickling the guys shoulder as he ran past. Then when he finally got his hands on him it was too late and he'd scored.

Shenton was awful

Shenton was awful? Yet you make no reference to Atkins?

Shenton defensively in the first half was lacking, but he made up for it by looking very dangerous in attack in the second half. He was way up the list if you want people to single out.

Widdop, Atkins, Brown and Fielden were all very poor for me. Frodo, Graham, Westwood, Roby, Shenton, Tomkins and Robinson did well enough. Briscoe looks a good enough winger. The rest were anonymous. Who is this Burgess feller we keep hearing about for example? He looks a stone overweight, a yard slower and totally lacking in interest.

the only players to come out of yesterday's debacle with anything approaching international credit would be, err, none of them.

i though gaz ellis and sam burgess were massively disappointing yesterday...they showed probably once or twice each that they are capable but hardly seemed to get involved otherwise

benny westwood i thought had a decent game, made a bad miss and gave a needless penalty away with his first act but provided more go forward than anyone else

england for me lacked any sort of aggression whatsoever in the pack, i thought with peacock and morley missing it would be down to ellis and burgess to front up...lets hope it works a heck of a lot better against australia

How the hell Atkins is anywhere near an england shirt is beyond me. He is absolutely terrible

He's pretty great for Warrington.

Admittedly he was awful yesterday but he was going solo a lot of the time.

shenton in the second half was one of our best players looked dangerous,briscoe did well. think we will see alot more from eliis and burgess they really need to carry our pack. widdop did alright but nothing special one dropped catch. we got to watch our backs as we our going to get overrun like last year against australia especially after there performance against papua new guinae.

don't get why people don't understand why these players play well for there club and not for england as because when they play for england they are against a higher class opposition so they make them look poor.