I believe this has already been tried. You'll have to ask the club as to why they haven't been dealt with...

Love it Fungus.
You know, I thought I wasn't imagining things with regards to the number of morons in that group. The pink cowboy hat brigade were bad enough on their own but they certainly seem to have grown in number of late.

Amen to the rest of your post... overwhelm these muppets with intellectual noise... Would love another STAND UP/SIT DOWN CHANT...

One of the most humorous chants i remember coming from The Shed was when we nilled Catalan and we so nicely cheered them off with "nil points...you only scored nil points" in French accents!

Tbf i don’t think the club have any reason to ban them, yes they shout and sing inappropriate songs at inappropriate times but that doesn’t give them any reason to get banned i think that is just OTT imo. I agree about there being a divide in the shed it seems certain people will only join in if it is their group of mates that start the song off, the people at the front start songs trying to get behind the team and because the group at the top don’t like them they wont join in & vice versa. That needs to stop if the Shed has any chance of being rectified.

The way I look at it is like a school yard; everyone has their own little cliques and will only join in certain games when "their mates" do. Then they go and grass to the teacher when they do something wrong to get them in trouble/detention, but in this case it’s getting people banned! It’s childish FFS everyone needs to grow up a little. I'm talking about everyone, not just the so called "hooligans" at the front!

Lets face it Salford can’t really afford to ban any fans, we need all the fans we can get at this crucial time for our club.

We're all Salford fans and all though we have different ways of expressing our feelings we want the same thing, Salford to be successful in super league.

Ill stop there before i bore you all to sleep.

I don't understand that point of view. Just because some don't balloon around for 80 minutes, or because others feel like they've grown out of ballooning, doesn't mean they don't share the same beliefs about supporting the team, nor does it mean they won't sing or get behind the side.



Do they? I used to hate that when I was going to Old Trafford - people refused to get off their backsides and support the team unless they were playing well. "It's up to them to get me excited enough to sing." Nonsense. It's up to a supporter to get behind the team and raise them. If they don't react to it, sod it, just carry on regardless.

I do hope all of this leads to an improved atmosphere in the Shed and the ground in general. Going to the match has become a chore, even away days don't hold the same prospect anymore. I think we may well attract more people back to the matches if the atmosphere improves in general.

Imo to generate an atmoshpere or even a feel good factor you need feed of other peoples energy,you find if enough of you "are up for it" and are willing to look a bit of a tool to try and wip it up into a frenzy it gets quite contagus then everyone is up for it spreads like wild fire, what is happening now imo is everyone is just sat on their hands looking for somebody or somthing "get it going" it doesnt work like that.

It only my opinion GT you obviously have a different opinion on it which is fine, but i feel ive been beaten down by too many of my fellow salford supporters you included saying " How can you be so positive Bobbie we are rubbish?" and "You living in a bubble Bobbie the clubs in ruins ect"

I feel im at the 3rd stage of my salford supporting life, at first when i started i believed we beat anyone anywhere and at every match we'd have a ball nobody bothered about who was looking or what was going on it was all about fun fun fun.
Then we got relegated and that hurt me so much more than i can ever explain on here because "my salford" wernt good enough to be in the top divison at the time even though they had given everything, we came back up luckly and it got a bit serious/ professionally run both on and off the field which in the big picture needed to be done it wasnt "my salford" anyone but a "professional salford" but it wasnt as fun it was all about the winning not the fun, We went down again and at the time it didnt hurt because i knew the players wernt good enough, they didnt care because it was a job and it didnt matter as the club and i had started to drift apart.
Now im here where i feel i dont have a connection with the playing staff, i listen everyweek to people winging (which they are intitled to do) which makes me not want to go anymore and it it wasnt for reading this thread and red preacher and and one of the stoke on trent reds i wouldnt be going to leeds because we all know deep down we'll get panned and we'll all have a good winge unless leeds dont turn up.

I Just cant see the point in paying £20 and just sitting on your hands, thats all if i wanted to do that id stay in the pub, the problem is if i started to sing salford songs in the pub by myself ill look odd so from now on as long as im having fun i dont care how we go on and thats how im dealing with where the remains of "my salford" is now.

Without the atmosphere and the feel good fun "my salfords" dead because that is all that is left and thats why im hoping we can revive it.

Unfortunately, the ground will remain empty until the product on the pitch improves. Attempts to inject life will always be undermined by a good drubbing on the park. We have a poor team and play dull rugby. All in all 18 pounds to watch a game represents relatively poor "value for money".

If we are being honest we have had a minority of buffoons following the club for years. That is one of the reasons I stopped attending away games. Yes they are annoying and should be dealt with but it is not their fault that the club on and off the field is in a mess. They are a symptom rather than the cause of the current problems.

Well done, Bobby. You've missed my point completely. I'm not saying you should go into the ground and sit on your hands, I'm saying we shouldn't get behind the team and I'm not saying we shouldn't enjoy ourselves as much as we can (although that's getting harder and harder with the state of things at the moment.)

What I am saying is that you don't have to act like a balloon, you don't have to 'whip up a frenzy' or anything like that. To be honest, that's more likely to put people off at times. If some see people ballooning around they often think 'Christ, what are them nutters on? Pack it in.' But, if you just get on with supporting the team without trying too hard you're more likely to get the odd casual singer joining in with you.

Take Uniteds away support through the late nineties and early 2000s. No ballooning, no over-excited jumping around, no scarf waving, no waving your hands around in a funny manner. Just a few thousand people stood up singing. No fuss, no frenzy, no nothing. And the players were lifted by it. Then you get the Geordies 'support', ballooning, shirts off, acting up in a 'frenzy'... And the rest of the country think they're a bunch of f*ckwits.

Ballooning around does not automatically equal getting behind the team in a positive manner. In the same way, not ballooning around does not automatically equal not getting behind the team in a positive manner.

As for being beaten down for trying to be positive, can you blame people? The club's stuck in a serious rut at the moment and there's a whole list of things that people have a gripe with. To attempt to go on blindly thinking everything's okay at the moment is a bit silly. But whilst that shouldn't hinder you getting behind the team for 80 minutes, it also shouldn't stifle people from saying what they see and aiming criticism and the club, staff and players.

Turn up, don't take it so seriously, relax and just sing. Don't worry about having a connection with the players, they come and go, don't worry about people whinging, that'll happen regardless, just concentrate on supporting the side during the match. You'll feel a lot better about life, trust me.

Not entirely in agrrement with you there GT although you do raise some valid points imo.

I think what we are seeing here, in observation of yourself and Bobby is a contrast in characters. A mild introvert in opposition to a strong extrovert. Hmm, just about to write a piece on the subject for you to read but I think I'll save it for another day. Back to my homework for now.

People arnt machines GT, you just dont plug em in and they will keep singing till the batteries run out, there were probably a few hunderad who were living the dream having a ball and everyone just got sucked in, Frenzy is the wrong word, when somebody is in a frenzy it usually means Violent imo, it helped a lot that United had a winning team and when the crowd needed lifting the team did it.

You cant expect to create a buzz if you aint willing to give a bit, Leigh away good friday, everyone got soaked, nobody cared, nobody went hiding in the seats, we wernt gonna melt because we got a bit wet so we all got on it we all just lived the dream and rode the wave of enthusiam that night and it still remains one of my best memories watching salford, if it was sunny and walm that wouldnt have happened wouldnt have happened

Perhaps GT is a machine? That would explain alot. Sort of like a Ginger Terminator.

plus i dont feel you can compair us to manchester uniteds away support in anyway as United have experienced success over many decades and the supporters of many ages have had regular tastes of success and the fact you would have to multiply our away support by at least 5 to get a comparison which means 5 of YOU (

) 5 of me (

) 5 of the right side of the shed (

) 5 of the numpties at the bottom (

) 5 of the left side of the shed (

) making 5x the noise which isnt too bad when you think of it that way, the main differece is at Manchester United so both the club and the Supporters arnt scared of winning.

Also i dont feel you can compair a home fan to a awau supporter as both are a different type of beast.

us on the other hand are scared of winning both on and off the field, we will win little cups (arriva cups, 2nd division) but put us in a challenge cup quaterfinal and we'll freeze because its the unknown, thats where we are imo

United's away support was the best in the country when the team was sh*t. So your point is invalid. As is the rest of your nonsense about dividing them up into sections. The United away support at the time I'm talking of was made up of 95% of the same type of people. No ballooning, no waving your colours around, no 'frenzies'. Just stood inside the ground singing for 90 minutes supporting the team. Ballooning about, to me, is the equivalant of that prick from Portsmouth with his wig, tattoos and stupid bell. That wouldn't make me want to get behind the team, not in the slightest.

The Leigh game... Well, it was a cracking night, I'll give you that. The rain added to it, but I think a few hours on the ale had helped a few, too. Again, it didn't really feel like ballooning to me... Just a group of lads (and lasses) having a laugh and supporting the team.

As for all this "living the dream" and "having a ball" nonsense... Jesus, Bobby, what are you on? What we do is called supporting the team. Friday night proved my point - no ballooning, no dancing around like a tw*t, we just got on with it. Sang. Supported the team. Funnily enough, other people joined in with us as well, without us having to 'whip up a frenzy' or whatever we've decided the non-violent form of that is. We just supported the team. It worked.

As for being a mild introvert... That's a new one on me.

But you spend £23 to sit on your hands on Friday

friday fight night!

bobby the optimist parkinson vs GT holdsworth

venue: the pitch at half time

we will all be ballooning like k#ob heads in the shed

Those backing Ginge stand around looking moody in black coats while The Optimist's followers balloon around in hawaiian shirts whilst living the dream.

Yep because my wife came to the game (her 1st this season because of health issues) and she would be unable to stand for the duration of the game, unfortunately leeds dont have faciliities where you can sit in the away end so we decided to go there instead of not going at all, plus im a believer in if you in an opposition stand you dont take the mick, yep clap your team but dont go ott.
her health at the moment is my main concern at present rather than roaring the team on, ill leave that to others at present.



Can you tell me when the team was sh*t? When United were at the same stage Salford are at now? Yo-Yoing between 1st and 2nd Divison on a regular basis, with a low crowd, with no money, playing unattractive football because i would like to know because it hasnt happened in our life time, even when they were relegated in 73 (im probably wrong im no stato) that team were by all account (espn classic and what older supporters have said) attractive to watch.
Though Utds history they have been succesful, might not be Champions every season but they have won FA cups, League cups,playing in europe and when they didnt win cups Utd always seemed to get to the latter stages of competions, builds hopes and Dreams in supporters GT.

As a supporter of United im in a totally different mindset to when im watching salford because i know when the chips are down and somthing needs to be done to win a game it will happen at United at Salford more often than not we end up falling on our own sword at the crutial moment, it might sound mental but when ive had dreams about salford playing and we never score, we'll knock on, we'll throw the ball in touch, we'll get pulled back by a deciton because we've all seen it happen so much its ingraved (there was one when Myler crashed over at warrington v wigan in a challege cup semifinal but the grounding was dodgy and i woke up before the video ref gave it

).

I think we have our wires crossed regarding Ballooning, I agree the Drummer at Portsmouth looks a bit of a tool (if it is his way of expressing himself at games and it makes him happy when who are we to stand in his way)but its not my game.

Balooning for me is Warrington away when they stuck 50 on us and the salford end started a "Red Army" chant which lasted about 10 mins, everyone was jumping around having fun nobody cared it was just fun.
The beer does help at salford but as somebody who is drinking less and less its not the be all and end all when trying to have fun at matches

Friday was good, The Away support was very good even with the lack of numbers and it was good to be on the other side of the fence because sometimes if your "in it" you dont feel it.



To be fair i love it when me and GT have our little verbal "tay tar tays" on here, he is a well educated and straight to the point man unlike me and knows his way around a debate, it was even better when we use too stand together in the shed and we'd bitch at each other all game over decitons or incidents in games then go for a beer after and laugh about it we still do it now but it aint the same, unfortunatley he departed to the "jeb end" for a quieter and less stressful friday night so i was left alone to my own divises, i feel ive mellowed a lot since them days but he still wont come back and play

Well, we could go back to the club's early years when they nearly got relegated to the third tier of English football if you want to get technical. However, aside from that, the only time United have ever dominated was the '90s onwards. United were getting higher attendances at Maine Road than city during their brief stay there and they won one trophy in that time.

And as for expecting success and the like, we went 26 years thinking we were never going to win the title. Hardly a case of turning up and thinking something would turn us around eventually.

It's a moot point, anyway. Success has nothing to do with the level of support. City have been turd for 34 years now and even when they were down in the third division they had a fairly large following. Difference being they thought the way to support a team was inflatable bananas and the like... That's the difference, they 'ballooned', United just got on with supporting the team.

This is the point I'm trying to make. You don't have to act like a loon, you don't have to jump around and you don't have to deliberately try to have fun to get behind the team. It works just as well with people, as you put it, "standing looking cool" but singing at the same time. That Red Army chant at Warrington was good, but did jumping around like a tw*t at the same time really add anything to it? Of course not.

You don't have to 'balloon' to support the team. That is all.

I feel like I'm going around in circles now, so I'll leave it.

PS - It's tête-à-tête.

But we did win FA cups, League Cups and European cup winners cups during that period so its not exactly a barron period where fans didnt experience the joys of winning big trophies




What did you do? Did you get lost in the moment and jump around.... bet you did






See educated

I know, I know, this is my final post, I promise...



So what you're actually saying is that success is the only thing that bouys supporters? That United's support wouldn't have been as good without success? That without success they would have had to have 'ballooned'?

Give over.

What im saying is your example wasnt the best as Uniteds Success though the years have shaped the club and the supporters, if you had picked another club who has been succesful as salford have though the years in the major competions then we wouldnt be having this debate.

As for finishing with a question and not coming back to look at my answer then thats just rude

Since matty smith came to Salford i haven’t see Ratchford do any kicks in general play, does anybody notice this.