But what happens then if you can't afford them?
See my post on the previous page for my solution.

But that won't sit well with many as Wigans youth system is still tops.

Yes so haveing a full and equal salary cap wont make a difference in the qaulity of your youth system will it?

I think if you said to every club the cap for next season is £1,800,000 and you can all spend up to that the clubs would find either the money from there coffers, from backers or from new sponsers and we would see a much more level playing field.

If we want clubs to go to the wall let's do away with the cap and watch the likes of Huddersfield, London and Bradford overspend themsleves into oblivion.

If we had a % system we could probably spend more on youth development. Look back a page and see what I think should be done. Reward youth development.

Every club can NOW spend up to £1.6 million, so why are some wanting to lower it?

It's not necessarily about simply spending money.

As far as the cap is concerned, it's fine as it is and there is no need to lower it.

What I really don't see is where the idea of this correllation between the England team being crap and a salary cap being in place comes from.

The amount of money that teams can spend on players has nothing to do with talent coming through the ranks. RL is a minority sport in this country and it is massive in Australia/NZ compared to us - they're always going to have a bigger chance of better quality youngsters coming through when the size of their player pool is massive when measured against ours.

A bit off topic (as if this thread hasn't moved off topic already

) but look at athletics in this country - a huge amount of money is spent on it yet we can't produce quality track athletes when compared to other countries that spend a fraction of the amount we do.

We're already seeing the effects of the franchise system in terms of the increase in the number of youngsters being given starts over the past 2 seasons and a glance at the England squad shows that almost every single English club has a player that has been called up. The salary cap means that there is more of a chance for that talent to be spread out rather than two or three teams stockpiling all the talent as we have seen in previous years.

I'll post tomorrow to show you, as I'm watching the footy show on Setanta now.

But just have look at the England and Wales teams from the 1995 World Cup, and tell me how have things got better.

Was it full of Wigan players by any chance.

As I said earlier we might as well finish this now
1/ You have obviously been watching Rugby League a lot longer than all of us.
2/ You are right
3/ We are wrong
4/ Whatever Wigan do is right

How do you objectively judge the standard of player?

Maybe it's the [uteam[/u that's got worse, not the individuals. Maybe the increase in overseas players has lessened the pool of players to pick for internationals (it's certainly reduced the halves and threequarters). Maybe young Brits haven't had enough chances to improve due to big money overseas signings. Maybe the profile of SL means players don't care as much about rep games. Maybe we've had the wrong people picking and coaching international teams. Maybe players from different teams really can't stand the sight of each other (less of a problem in Australia where the players come from many teams due to a spread of talent). Maybe the rep team doesn't spend enough time training together.

Nah. It's probably all due to the salary cap.

i assumed he is out of contract at the end of 2010. In which case because of his age salford would be entitled to a fee under RFL rules. This is likely to be nearer 15K than 150K

from the ridiciulous to the sublime there mr. pie.
promising idea for the scholarship idea, however i am skeptical of how it could be funded.

as for the previous quote, i congratulate you for being a rugby league fan for longer than any of us. i would like to be nasty but my mum taught me to respect oxygen thiefs.

Was it not good for "the game" when Salford had David Watkins, Keith Fielding, Maurice Richards, Paul Charlton, Bill Burgess, Colin Dixon, Chris Hesketh, Mike Coulman, Kenny Gill, Eric Prescott etc

They were a great side to watch, and drew big crowds to the Weaste.

That was on the back of Brian Snape who used "money" to fund those players, and help find them employment.
Was that wrong?

Alex Murphy says some good stuff about Myler here....

[url=http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/rugby_league/s/1119125_give_myler_his_break__murphyGive Myler his break - Murphy[/url

Also... I believe the there is an article in the MEN tonight where Mr Barker rips into Offiah for wanting to line his own pockets above the best interests of Myler.

There IS some correlation between money and success, but not in the way RG is presenting it. Success breeds financial reward not necessarily the case the other way around.

The SC has been successful in creating a more level playing field, and the removal of relegation has also helped bring through young talent and provide important experience at the right level. Something must be going in the right direction when you look at the current England squad. Eight of the Nineteen come from the bottom seven clubs in the league. It shows how levelling the playing field has not only changed the structure of the International game, it has also shifted the attitudes of the coaches and people in the higher echelons of the RL.

Unfortunately it seems that the likes of Wigan have the most to lose. They can afford to throw money at the club and are being restricted. When you look at the likes of Quins, Hudds, Catalans, Wakey and Cas etc. It shows that clubs have to really work with what they have and are doing a great job. It also shows that Wigan are not living up to the standards they expect and are not coping with the "decline" of their club.

Whining about SC this and that seems to be a scapegoat for a once great club not performing on and off the pitch.

It would be interesting to find out what sort of wages Rugby League players are earning these days. in the Engage Super League.

Over the next few months our club the Salford City Reds need to get there house in order and with no relegation to worry about things should be ok I hope.

I would imagine the salery cap must be kept within at every club, but just how much money is spent on player wages ?.

One thing that has always concerned me is the overseas players appear to be higher wages than the British based players at most clubs.

I think all players should be on the same wage at clubs, but of course young up and coming players need to prove there worth once they have entablished themselves in the first team squad.

I raise this point today because I am very worried that Salford City Reds are going to loose a few of our young guns if they don't come up with the right offers the next time contracts are due.


COME ON SALFORD CITY - FIND THE MONEY FROM SOME WHERE AND REWARD OUR PLAYERS OF THE FUTURE....


PS: I HAVE JUST PLACED A LUCK DIP ON THE EURO MILLIONS FOR TONIGHT....

I think it its going to prove difficult to keep them all maybe one or two to go to keep the others.
Personally I want to keep them all as the`ve all peformed well this season
Myler, Ratchford,Adamsom and Turner are our future if we can hang on to them, I`ll include Goulding in there also.
The only way I can come up with, is to avoid going down under for any new signings at all at the end of this season and concentrate on who`s available over here to fill vacant squad places.

Wigan want to change the salary cap structure, because it doesn't work for them. It's incredible how Bradford, Leeds and Saints have made such a useless, oppressive sytem work for them, isn't it?

Surely it can't be a case of financial mis-management at Wigan creating this horrendous situation? I mean, their team has been littered with home grown players since the introduction of the SC, it isn't as if they have forked out a massive transfer fee on a player and paid him a corresponding salary.

The salary cap doesn't work, the salary cap doesn't work!

Convenient truths ignored by Wiganers:

RU becoming (openly) professional. The opportunity to sign top RU players has long since gone.

Orientation of the game heading towards defence. Fifteen stone wingers who can cart down the middle. Centres who can play in the back row and vice versa. The opportunity for creative, flair players has diminished as the game is almost all about minimising errors.

The simple fact is the game has changed, but people can't see that through their rose tinted spectacles.

It is funny how Wiganers want the cap changing to a percentage of turnover; it isnlt as if they have ever played around with figures when it comes to salary cap auditing, is it.

One thing that is a good idea is dispensation for players brought throught through the Service Area/Academy. That is well worth introducing.

Yep thats it in a nut shell, Salford are built to play this way and that why we r moving forward

What has the ability to draw big crowds to a pub got to do with the price of fish?

after his 2 perfomances against wigan i would think his value has gone down his defence is woefull and he was targeted in both matches sorry 2 say but he aint has good has is agent is making out come on and slag me off and call me but sorry he aint all that

Agree. Defence is poor, kicking game is average, great backing up and can finish a try - not sure that makes a world class scrum half.

Still has a lot to learn, but put him in a good side and he could be a world beater. At the moment he gets the full attention of the opposition as Salford have little less to offer.

You are right though, his agent has built his part up much more than he deserves.

Hoping his value does go down.

Salford need to keep hold of him. Englands No. 7 as it stands atm.

Unfortunately, other sides see the potential aswell. Which is where the problem lies...

None of these so called big clubs were willing to chance their arm when he was at Widnes. Was Offiah saying that Widnes should be paying him a kings ransom? Salford have given him the chance to develop at SL level. He has time on his side and I think he will develop quicker here because he'll get more game time. Look at Tomkins at Wigan. I think he's 21 but in and out of the side. The same with Ainscough. He's not played since he scored the 4 against us.

myler hasn't played well the last 3 games, against bradford he didn't play that well, even though he created 2 tries, and both games against wigan. Whether the England call up and all the hype surrounding him is effecting him, i dont know, but i hope he turns it around sooner rather than later because when he clicks, the whole team does!

hull fc came in for myler last season, but his parents didn't want him relocate at such a young age (awaits all the hull is a dump replies)

Hull is a dump!!