Bubba you're shrimp fishing again. Haha, the move has proved the worst decision EVER in our history. We, could be relegated looking for a new home in a fortnight Bubba? Why? because we own absolutely nothing and won't be able to afford the AJ Bellends rent. Yeah great move by Arthur Daley, I can't believe you actually believe the move to Barton is better than the Willows. You're well out of touch Bubba. Every born and bred Salford fan would switch back in a heartbeat. Bubba, you aren't even a Salford lad Bubba, so you have NO affiliation to the Willows. So thats why the AJ Bellend at Trafford is your preferred option. This is a common trend with Salford supporters who are exiled,like Early Bath ( Good Grief Remember his Report on th move? How wrong was he) they aren't bothered just as long as they have an affiliation with Salford because its their only tie. Whereas the born and bred who still live in the heartland of Salford have jumped ship because the soul has gone, to which the exiled and outskirt supporter don't feel at all. I'd take a good guess that the 3000 that have stopped attending are from the heartlands and the 1801 that are still attending are a majority of exiles and outskirt supporters. and you Bubba.

I'm not arguing with your points, just that you're a miserable turd who because the Willows is rubble, everything from this point on is the worst thing ever. It's hard for anyone to be positive at the moment, but the fact is that anything the Club does now is negative in your blinkered eyes.

Yeah I'm not a Salfordian, as are lots of die-hard Salford fans. If being a Salfordian was the only prerequisite of being a superfan we'd have more than a thousand attending. Most Salfordians couldn't give a toss about the Club including the likes of delusional halfwits like yourself. So I'm not sure what your flailing points are.

Yes the Willows was home. Yes the AJBell is soulless. Nobody is disagreeing with you. It's just that I don't understand why someone who claims that they are a true Salfordian RL fan would spend their time shakily typing out nothing but negativity and vitriol. All the time.

You're tiring and incredibly boring outlook is actually pretty spot-on for most of Salford's 'fans' in general and forgive me if I take advice from a creationist conspiracy nutter with a pinch of salt.

Exactly,Bubba. You have serious Ad Hom Stan paranoia issues, With you assuming I'm Stan you're bringing up subjects which have no bearing on the conversation topic.


Bubba, Yes the Willows is rubble, are we any better off since the move? Absolutely NO, take a look at the state of the position we're in, the only financial incoming revenue we receive is 1800 spectators. Wow who's bright idea was that, poor MK has one brutal task on his hands with the Deal Arthur Daley negotiated where the Club's only income stream was through the turnstile. No wonder MK has had enough and tried other channels in cheating. For goodness sake, Arthur Daley couldn't even negotiate a Club shop.The man was days away from running this once great club into the ground, what a fantastic owner.I feel for MK he's having to manage this club with his hands tied behind his back through through Arthur Daley's negotiation skills. If that means I'm a miserable blinkered turd for stating the obvious, well Bubba keep searching for them shrimps and bury your head in the sand.

So you're calling some Salford fans delusional halfwits because we disagree with Superfan Bubba.




Firstly,Bubba you should get a job, you spend a massive amount of time on these forums, the negativity of Salford is brought on by itself. I don't claim to be a Salford fan. I used to be a fan, until the move from the Willows which killed the real Salford RLFC. All I'm doing is stating the facts of what killed my club. I hope MK leaves and puts this club to bed,or re-brands the name erasing and putting an end to Salford's recognition with the AJ Bellend story because the weekly NEGATIVE circus that Salford Rugby generates just embarrasses and Sour's the pride we have, for.our city. But again that wouldn't bother you being from bubbaland.

Where's Bubb a land?

I thought you were banned off here, Mr Flat Earth?

I'm hardly ever on here these days. Just so happens that when I do pop on for a gander who should turn up in literally the first post I read, but our resident nut job, on an alias, even though you were banned for being, well, you. You don't even make it difficult.

I'm sure you'll be bringing in some imaginary friends to back your ravings up. After all, imaginary friends are a thing with you. Why don't you have a good pray that I'll be cast down with some horrible affliction? See if that works.

I'm off to lie down and have someone tickle my feet while I hold a metal rod. It does wonders for relaxation.

Well, that was a huge contribution to the topic again Nurse Bubba's out of bed again.

I get your point Butcher, The Willows was [ia $H!TH0L€[/i & before anyone starts getting on their high horse, Hilton Park was a $H!TH0L€ too, as was Knowsley Road.
All 3 of those stadiums were falling down & grim, walls collapsed at Knowsley Road with regularity & any stadiums with wild trees & shrubs growing inside them are only fit for demolition.

P!$$!N6 against a wall outside (but within the ground) might have been derigeur in the 50's but not acceptable now.

While all of those grounds shared some good times, some hard & provided the all important & oft elusive atmosphere, they were long past saving & shared a common denominator, they were all derelict.

I have said this umpteen times with Salford fans, a ground share with Swinton [iis the only way forward[/i, it isn't demeaning, it doesn't mean your Club has failed, it does though make common sense to share the costs of your business & should bring back stability & equally as important, help rebuild your fan base while also having your admittedly shared home in a Salford town.

I see no reason why this would not suit Swinton but I do see big issues with your lease at the AJ, not to mention the fight MK had with Salford City Council.
If legally Salford RL can walk away from the AJ then they should make it happen, MK needs to be keeping sweet with Swinton to ensure that there is at least a chance of a joint venture.

On the issue of soulless stadiums, they are what you eventually make them, the first couple of years at the LSV were not great yet eventually the fans returned & started to help in their little way to make it a fortress & a loud & threatening place to visit for opposition teams *threatening maybe not the best description bit you get my drift, hopefully*.

There is always hope.

Steve with due respect Warrington, Saints, Leigh built their grounds within or near town centres. Leigh ground is a nice walk too with plenty of ale houses along the way. Now the one thing you're failing to understand Ste is the AJ Bellend is outside of Salford. So your situation differs to ours.

What Salford should of done, was to copy Widnes's lead and redevelop one stand at a time. But Arthu Daley had personal alternative bent schemes to adhere too.

Indeed.

I loved the Willows and spent many great times there, but we have to accept that it's gone and look forward rather than continually walking backwards while facing the future. There's still a lot of Salford supporters, and I use the term loosely, who wear rose tinted glasses. The answer isn't to harp on about the past, we're struggling to even have a future at the moment and fans should be focused on that. The Club has been left on its backside through the RFL insisting on a new ground for SL survival while allowing Yorkshire clubs with similar or worse grounds, off the hook. We had a decent Chairman in Wilky but he kinda made a deal with the Devil when selling us out for an expensive lease at a ground away from the core support. We've lurched from one disaster to another for donkeys years, well before we moved from the Willows. Those that think we'd be better off at a condemned hundred year old plus ground are deluded. Salford's problems lie deeper than where we play.

People or supporters aren't deluded because they disagree with you. I speak to a lot of ex-players who visit me often, and they have the same outlook as me, in fact, that's where my opinion is formed or originates from. These ex-players have obviously a more closer interaction with the Club than most supporters could ever have, and the stories I've heard would bend your spine. So Bubba just to again remind you. I don't have pretend friends like you, I've plenty of mates who've played for Salford who've expressed to me their views, I suppose they're deluded eh

Oh and Salford's problems are hugely due to where they play. No crowd No income stream No Salford.

Bolton Wanderers play at stadium on a retail park in Horwich, miles from central Bolton, their fans seem to be able to make their way there, one bus an hour in each direction (onto the retail park) more if you want or can walk from the main road.

I know the AJ is in a bad place geographically from Pendleton Precinct but for some it seems an easy & ready made excuse.

This.

Steve, you're talking Football mate. Horwich is in the Bolton conurbation. The name Wanderers, is in their DNA.

Salford folk are a different kettle of fish, we didn't even get a say in the move, the rug was pulled from under our feet.Bolton had Premier League attraction so they had to leave Burnden Park for the fruits of the premier league and SKY monies. So you can't compare BW to Salford

You steve and Butcher wouldn't or couldn't understand this because you ain't from "proper Salford'' nevermind Salford outskirts like Eccles Irlam, Walkden, and, little hulton. The move was disastrous and I've been saying it for years and now its crumbling right in front of your eyes, you still cannot see the move to the AJbellend .as the common denominator of the demise.

FE - So we can put this to bed - what are you implying here please?

Like everyone else id love to be in a ground in a better location which is our own, but don't pretend this is out only problem. Look at attendances 2011, other than a few major exceptions at the start and obviously the end, average was around 3.5/4k. Issues stem much deeper than ground location

As one of the fans from Cadishead the club as let us down
When we had a bus to the ground it was a total joke
More was put in to getting Warrington fans to the ground then Salford fans
It was so badly run no bus turned up, and when the bus driver went to another set of pick up no turned up.
(left hand told one set of pick up, the right hand -driver was given another)
So why should we go all the way to Swinton or any part of Salford to see our team.
When the problem is not where we play but the club and players.
In the last few years we sign players who do care about the club.
We have chairman who signed up players but he did not know what he was doing.
The only person (in is words who can control I’m) as gone to Hull KR.
So where does it leave us?
The club website this says one of our players is playing his last game on Sunday if that’s the facts we are down

You're quite correct Bryan, we hear anomalies like this on a weekly basis. The Club really needs to buckle up on it's quest to appeasing its support. On the other hand, the Club has obviously got the Irlam fans in their thoughts by firstly laying the Bus on, but somewhere between booking the Irlam/Cadishead bus, to the fans getting to the Stadium on that bus, there's a massive managerial logistical blunder where essential proactive decisions have clearly been ignored or even worse not been introduced. Who the responsibility lies with on this matter I'm not privy too, but it does need reporting and solving, because it's the small things like this, that people get pee'd off with and think Sod it, I can't be d if they can't. Which then takes another 30-50 paying customers off the income stream, because no decent logistical proactive decision has been made and overlooked. In simple terms, it's called shooting yourself in the foot.

Am I missing something here but don't both the 67 & 100 buses go to Irlam & Cadishead? Why the should there be special buses put on by the club for fans feom that area? They have the easiest commute of any fan bar those living in Peel Green!

Exactly my thoughts on the subject.
We have one supporter who comes from Stoke each match day,Vinny is his name, and the other week Radio Manchester had Jack Dearden,Trevor Hunt and Dave Woods saying how difficult it was getting to and from the ground,then Vinny rings up at 5.50pm and he had just got in after the match and was ringing from Stoke,none of them noticed what he was saying.
There are lots of other supporters who continually turn up ,home and away,and these people have made their own arrangements regarding the travel etc.
Dave Woods was saying that the club should go out into schools etc,its a pity that he hadn't bothered the check the clubs website to see just how many youngsters the Foundation have connected with recently,but there again its only the bad news that some people are after.

Exactly, the club never ran buses from Irlam & Cadishead to The Willows so why the need to run them to Barton?

If you feel inconvenienced having to do a 10 min journey on public transport then what hope is there of attracting decent crowds.

Sorry you all missed the point of my post, it was not the issue but the fact the club got it wrong.
This is one example of many.
How many times has the club put on offer and the fans turn up be let down by the players.

Fair enough. The club has got so many things wrong on and off the pitch whether it be the same old mistakes or new ones.

I note that Leigh offered free entry last week similar to what we did against Catalans last year. I wonder if they collated details from spectators for marketing purposes or just waved people in without taking any details like we did.

I believe we took details of names, addresses, telephone numbers and email addresses, in return for those Batley game tickets. Hopefully, we'll be able to get some of them back - to pay! - next season.

On that note, I hope we will have the derby games against you next season. Despite what your fans say about the inaccessibility of Barton, to a Leyther, it's considerably more accessible than Hull KR! Good luck next week - assuming you finish above London!

Spare a thought for London fans who depending what there home ground is that season as they move quite a lot could have 2 hour journey to watch there side at home puts your moaning about your travels into perspective

if im correct about the bus, it was done in conjunction with cadishead rhinos, and the offer was given to any rugby league club in the area, they had to sell a given number of tickets. and to clarify, the bus hasnt run for 12 months.