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| Quote ="supercat"Not seen anything about him and his agent looking to move back and can't see it as we have ample halves and no None fed spot left. One thing I was told is that some players from the 2011 squad have been sent letters from the ASADA with regards to anti doping. Tim was in this squad and others playing superleague too. Not saying he's had one but seems weird being stood down when you are a half light.'"
Why would the organisation that oversees anti-doping in sport in Australia be writing letters to players playing outside of its judiciary?
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| Its over alledged drug taking back in 2011 if you google its part of a large investigation. Oh and by the way Aiton was in that team too.
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| Quote ="supercat"Its over alledged drug taking back in 2011 if you google its part of a large investigation. Oh and by the way Aiton was in that team too.'"
I'm aware of the investigation, with the focus being on Cronulla and Essendon. It's been pretty big news, but I've heard nothing about clubs outside of Australian competition, and indeed ADASA has no authority outside of Australia so surely won't be doing doping at UK clubs.
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| Quote ="Iain"Quote ="supercat"Its over alledged drug taking back in 2011 if you google its part of a large investigation. Oh and by the way Aiton was in that team too.'"
I'm aware of the investigation, with the focus being on Cronulla and Essendon. It's been pretty big news, but I've heard nothing about clubs outside of Australian competition, and indeed ADASA has no authority outside of Australia so surely won't be doing doping at UK clubs.'"
Tim Smith played for Cronulla in the 2010-11 season, so I guess that's the link.
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| If this was the case might this not be a blessing in disguise? Surely the club could void a players contract if they were found to have been involved in taking these 'supplements'?
Smith has hardly pulled up trees since he arrived and you suspect that the club would rather free up his wages, get Sneyd back and make investments elsewhere in the squad.
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| Quote ="Red John"Tim Smith played for Cronulla in the 2010-11 season, so I guess that's the link.'"
That now makes some sense. I thought supercat was suggesting ADASA was probing the 2011 Wakefield squad.
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| Saw a good suggestion on Twitter that Jake Mullaney can play scrum half.
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| Quote ="Early Bath"Saw a good suggestion on Twitter that Jake Mullaney can play scrum half.'"
I thought that myself.
Eden at FB and Mullaney at SH. I think Harris will go with Lee though. Which doesn't fill me with a lot of joy.
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| im more concerned about our sliding defence than HB position right now.
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| Lee is solid in defence! I think this would be the best move! Good to have some selection problems.
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| Leftfield idea try and get Ryan Breirley from Leigh on loan with a nod to a perminant deal. Pretty sure he'd shine at an event like MM.
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| Quote ="Michigan red"...Smith has hardly pulled up trees since he arrived ...'"
If he was surely ASADA doping team would have genuine reason to call..if he was
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| I think it would be better if people lay off Tim Smith - he had had far more criticism than he deserves.
It was heartening to read the Barry Eaton piece in the RLW - someone who has had more adversity than I realized - where he explains that when the Crusaders were liquidated Iestyn Harris put the welfare of his players first,before considering his own career.Hugely impressed with that when the same cannot be attributed to other coaches.
As for Smith - I don't want this club in a similar situation to what happened to a former Hull Fc half back not so long ago,and it appeared to me by his animated celebration when SRD scored a try,that Smith enjoys being part of the Red Devilution,so should be encouraged not summarily dismissed because he is only one part of an under-performing team.
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| Quote ="middleman"If he was surely ASADA doping team would have genuine reason to call..if he was'"
ASDA don't do gardening now too do they
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| Quote ="Iain"Quote ="Red John"Tim Smith played for Cronulla in the 2010-11 season, so I guess that's the link.'"
That now makes some sense. I thought supercat was suggesting ADASA was probing the 2011 Wakefield squad.'"
And, of course, adding fuel to the speculative fire, Paul Aiton - Cronulla 2010-11, now Leeds - is currently out for 'about three months' with an unspecified mystery illness.
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| Quote ="Red-Devils-PAW"I think it would be better if people lay off Tim Smith - he had had far more criticism than he deserves.
It was heartening to read the Barry Eaton piece in the RLW - someone who has had more adversity than I realized - where he explains that when the Crusaders were liquidated Iestyn Harris put the welfare of his players first,before considering his own career.Hugely impressed with that when the same cannot be attributed to other coaches.
As for Smith - I don't want this club in a similar situation to what happened to a former Hull Fc half back not so long ago,and it appeared to me by his animated celebration when SRD scored a try,that Smith enjoys being part of the Red Devilution,so should be encouraged not summarily dismissed because he is only one part of an under-performing team.'"
Aye. Unless my ears deceived me at Perpignan last week, he knocked on and the bell-end squadron started chanting Theo's name.
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| Quote ="Red John"And, of course, adding fuel to the speculative fire, Paul Aiton - Cronulla 2010-11, now Leeds - is currently out for 'about three months' with an unspecified mystery illness.'"
Also Dean Collis (currently injured) and Ben Pomeroy. If Pomeroy should contract a mysterious condition between now & Saturday then I think we may have the explanation.
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| It's obviously only speculation at this stage with regard to the unexplained absense of some former Cronulla players contracted in the 2010-11 season. However, should these players be found guilty and banned globally, where do you think it would leave existing clubs legally with regard to contractual agreements?
Do you think Salford and Leeds etc, could persue financial compensation from the Cronulla club or even the players themselves? Again it's only speculation but I wonder if this could be the reason Tim Smith hasn't looked the same player he was last year?
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| Likely situation is that ,if player is found to have committed a drugs related offence,his contract would be null and void.
No chance of compensation,I wouldn't have thought.
The whole scenario seems very unlikely to me,because of the time that's elapsed.
Let's hope we see Smith playing again very soon because he's certainly copped far too much criticism
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| Quote ="Bonita Red"Likely situation is that ,if player is found to have committed a drugs related offence,his contract would be null and void.
No chance of compensation,I wouldn't have thought.
The whole scenario seems very unlikely to me,because of the time that's elapsed.
Let's hope we see Smith playing again very soon because he's certainly copped far too much criticism'"
Hypothetical I know at this stage but . . .
Surely if a player isn't in a position to honor a contract (Non Illness/injury related) he would be in breach and liable for damages. If Salford didn't honor a contract they would be dragged through the courts so why wouldn't it work both ways because Salford have invested a lot of money in the player with a transfer fee etc?
I don't think the Doc would be too chuffed if he had a banned player that cost him iro £70,000 out of his own back pocket!!
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| As you say it's hypothetical ,but I think there's a specific clause relating to drugs.
If so,the terms of that clause would apply.
I assume that would be instant dismissal.
Therefore the terms of the contract would have been observed.
End of.
But I could be wrong.
As I say,let's hope it isn't this anyway
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| Quote ="Bonita Red"As you say it's hypothetical ,but I think there's a specific clause relating to drugs.
If so,the terms of that clause would apply.
I assume that would be instant dismissal.
Therefore the terms of the contract would have been observed.
End of.
But I could be wrong.
As I say,let's hope it isn't this anyway'"
Say this was the case and the players being mentioned were dismissed by their current clubs would the money left of their wages for the rest of the season be available to spend elsewhere?
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| Quote ="Yorkshire_Red"
Also Dean Collis (currently injured) and Ben Pomeroy. If Pomeroy should contract a mysterious condition between now & Saturday then I think we may have the explanation.'"
Pomeroy squared up to Gareth Hock in the Catalans game. I hope it was a temporary act of madness on his part and not roid rage.
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