Isn't one the same as the other. The parent company for Trafford Centre is .............................................!

If Peel Holdings are only interested in us for the short term why have they put a large amount of sponsorship money into the SCR for several years?

According to sources within the club PH put in £250000 each year and they pay it up front before the season starts.

If the Stadium delay is getting us down, how must John Wikinson and Howard Clague and others be feeling? They are into it big time we are not and I say this as a long term supporter,shareholder,lottery member etc.

well said

I have to say I've been a little confused all along on the subject of the stadium. I never really understood how the money to do it was going to be raised.

However, I'm willing to believe John Wilkinson when he says it will happen. The guy's had plenty of opportunity to walk away in the past but he didn't. He must love the club an awful lot to put all the time, effort and money into it that he has done.

On balance, I tend to the view that a new stadium (maybe not the stadium) will be built but 2010 is looking very ambitious now.

The thing I worry about most is ownership of the stadium. I though under the old plans that the club would own it. I'm afraid now that it might belong to Peel and we would just be tenants. If this were the case, I could imagine Sale trying to grease their way in somehow. That is just too nauseating to contemplate. I'd be very happy for somebody in the know to come on here and tell me I'm worrying needlessly.

i'm not one of the doom and gloom merchants, but to be honest, 250k a year for a few years will be small potatoes to peel if they think it is what will get their port salford and racecourse projects off the ground

From the begining i thought Sale would have come into the deal at some point but now it looks as if the plans will be scaled down i doubt it'l be big enough for Sale

One thing though was with RCD you had a say in what would be happening on and off the pitch but now with it being peel running the show you will have very little say in what happens with the stadium

Hope that wasn't aimed at me "James". I'm no sniper, just a keen fan for 20 years like yourself buddy!

My main aim is towards those moaning fans from other clubs who for some reason love to hate Salford City Reds and are at this time taking the out of our great club.

The sooner the bloody workmen move on to the site at Barton the better and then with a bit of luck people will leave the men behind this new stadium project alone to get on with the job in hand.

ROLL ON 2010..............IT'S OVER TO YOU LOT AT PEEL HOLDINGS NOW..

No worries.

Are you the same as your dad?

Essentially what my answer was going to be. A few million quid is peanuts to Peel, absolute peanuts.

I can appreciate that JW and HC are probably feeling just as bad as we are and I still believe that they are giving their all to this project, hence why I've refrained from some of the direct criticism others have given. The fact seems to be that a la MCFC, any glimmer of hope is ultimately destined to explode in spectacular fashion.

If the parent company controls the subsidiary then people are going to view them as one and the same.

So, if I control my daughter, people will think I'm a 5 year old girl?!

Why not you seem to have the same logic.

See Liverpool have postponed their stadium plans

And who can blame them..



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Well, they do have less chance of filling a 73,000 stadium than we do of filling a 20,000 stadium...

Obses...

Jesus, I'd have put money on your kid biting quicker than you.

The Trafford Centre and Peel Holdings is for all practical purposes the same .
Not sure why anyone is trying to create a different impression,or what the argument is..
It would be like taking 2 of JWs firms and trying to argue they operate at arms length from him.
Nothing wrong with that at all but if you think Peel is somehow different from the Trafford Centre,in practice ,then you are simply wrong!l

PHEW that was lucky I nearly did.

The whole point of the differentiation between Peel Holdings (the large property and transport business) and the Trafford Centre (a shopping centre owned by the above) goes back to Early Bath's comments about "Grey Suits at Peel who are not necessarily close to the Reds". People on this thread seem to suggest that if they work for Peel, then they must be close to the Reds due to the Trafford Centre sponsorship.

Now, regardless of whether people want to think they are the same business due to having the same ownership what is certain is that the Trafford Centre has it's own management, and that Peel Holdings have lots of other concerns, and therefore have lots of other staff who have no involvement whatsoever with the Trafford Centre or any of it's business partners. It's entirely plausible that the grey suits that are now involved come from some property arm of the very large business that has never had any contact with the rugby league team.

The Trafford Centre is just a small part of their portfolio but is the most visible, In relation to their other interests is small beer , they own Docks & Airports and have also moved into renewable power 'They've just completed the Largest Land Based windfarm in the UK at Scout Moor nr. Rochdale', I don't think developing our Stadium is top of their list, however I don't believe current financial constrictions will put them off either.

The Trafford Centre, a large shopping centre in the United Kingdom and located off the M60 motorway in the Greater Manchester urban area.
Peel Ports, owners of three major port facilities, Clyde Port Authority, Mersey Docks and Harbour Company and the Manchester Ship Canal.
Peel Airports, full owner of Liverpool John Lennon Airport, City Airport Manchester, Robin Hood Airport Doncaster Sheffield and joint owners of Durham Tees Valley Airport (75%) and Sheffield City Airport (50%).
Peel Land and Property, owners of a wide portfolio of property in the UK and abroad and provider of infrastructure services. Current planned major developments include Wirral Waters & Liverpool Waters
Peel Wind Power Ltd, responsible for the management and development of Peel's wind energy assets.
mediacity:uk, a new development at Salford Quays to house some BBC Departments and other media organisations.

You think you would know that, Teddington Red! Don't you know anything about Peel?