IN: Smith, Holdsworth, Adamson, Williams, Gleeson Out: Feka, Boyle, Gibson, Sidlow, Nero, Wild, Godwin, Neal and James Retired: Anderson Below is a link to 2012 out of contract players in the NRL. www.zerotackle.com.au/rugby-leag IN: FUI FUI MOI MOI, LUKE MacDOUGAL, SIKA MANU

IN: Smith, Holdsworth, Adamson, Williams, Gleeson Out: Feka, Boyle, Gibson, Sidlow, Nero, Wild, Godwin, Neal and James Retired: Anderson Below is a link to 2012 out of contract players in the NRL. www.zerotackle.com.au/rugby-leag IN: FUI FUI MOI MOI, LUKE MacDOUGAL, SIKA MANU

Feka has another year after this doesn't he?

He's going to Widnes by the look of it.

Quote ="RED MOUNTAIN"IN: Smith, Holdsworth, Adamson, Williams, Gleeson Out: Feka, Boyle, Gibson, Sidlow, Nero, Wild, Godwin, Neal and James Retired: Anderson'" Can you 'hand on heart' say that you think our halfback combination is consistent enough to take us up a level? In my opinion both players are generally poor to average but capable of having the odd decent game now and then. Quote ="LEDGE787"Feka has another year after this doesn't he?'" I think you are right. According to the MEN it's Anderson's contract that is up. menmedia.co.uk/manchesterevening ... hull-kr-18

Quote ="RED MOUNTAIN"IN: Smith, Holdsworth, Adamson, Williams, Gleeson Out: Feka, Boyle, Gibson, Sidlow, Nero, Wild, Godwin, Neal and James Retired: Anderson'" Can you 'hand on heart' say that you think our halfback combination is consistent enough to take us up a level? In my opinion both players are generally poor to average but capable of having the odd decent game now and then. Quote ="LEDGE787"Feka has another year after this doesn't he?'" I think you are right. According to the MEN it's Anderson's contract that is up. menmedia.co.uk/manchesterevening ... hull-kr-18

That bastion of all knowledge The Sun has linked you with this guy....

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It would be nice if Jordan James could help persuade fellow Welshmen Elliott Kear,who can play full back,and
prop Craig Kopczak to come to Salford should their contracts become invalid if Bradford Bulls go into adminstration.
Both with good years ahead of them.
If Towers is to be signed Kear is also a recognised winger.

Quote ="theredshed"Can you 'hand on heart' say that you think our halfback combination is consistent enough to take us up a level? In my opinion both players are generally poor to average but capable of having the odd decent game now and then. I think you are right. According to the MEN it's Anderson's contract that is up. menmedia.co.uk/manchesterevening ... hull-kr-18'" Yes I think both halfbacks would be pretty good with a half decent pack to get them on the front foot. At the moment we are very lightweight in the forwards with no push, aggression, agility or zip, we are bullied by most packs and often play off the cuff rugby because we are on the back foot.

Quote ="theredshed"Can you 'hand on heart' say that you think our halfback combination is consistent enough to take us up a level? In my opinion both players are generally poor to average but capable of having the odd decent game now and then. I think you are right. According to the MEN it's Anderson's contract that is up. menmedia.co.uk/manchesterevening ... hull-kr-18'" Yes I think both halfbacks would be pretty good with a half decent pack to get them on the front foot. At the moment we are very lightweight in the forwards with no push, aggression, agility or zip, we are bullied by most packs and often play off the cuff rugby because we are on the back foot.

Fair point about the pack but I still think something is missing and we need a real leader in the halves like an Andrew Dunemann. I also think we desperately need a couple of big, agile and speedy back row forwards to give us much more punch in possesion. We also need a couple of big, aggressive, metre making props and another creative centre who can defend better than what we have now.

The situation with the pack has existed for years due to many terrible signings of has-been oldies, crocks that couldn't pass a medical, second rate aussies or cast offs. Let's hope PV has identified our biggest weakness and brings in the right players to finally address this long-term problem. Let's hope the 'time-warp signings' are a thing of the past!

Being critical against our Footie Director and our scouting system I'd say other than Andy Coley many moons ago which youngsters have we identified with potential and developed from lower league clubs? Other SL clubs do it all the time so why can't we? These players wouldn't cost big money and they would be all out to prove they can make the grade. Pay less initially for a couple of these lads and you have more money to spend elsewhere.

There are 5 areas we could recruit players from:- U20's, Superleague, Lower Leagues, Overseas and Rugby Union but we only ever really sign cast offs from other SL clubs or Overseas cast offs. OK the odd U'20 gets a squad number but only three have ever made it at SL level.

For a club like Salford needing to go forward is has to be about quality not quantity, with more of the U20's progressing into the first team. Otherwise what is point of the U'20's if there is little or no return on investment?

Williams, Gleeson and maybe Gibson are the only ones I'd keep the rest as far as I'm concerned can go. I'd also give Smith a contact for the right price I definitely wouldn't be breaking the bank to keep him with Theo and Sneyd coming through.

As for the end of next season it can't come quick enough as we have a lot of 'stodge' that we need to get rid off.

Feka - Looked promising at the start of the season, but wouldn't offer him another deal.

Smith - See above, wouldn't break the bank to keep him.

Wild -Works hard and a good solid pro, but we need more from a super league 13.

Anderson - Will retire at the end of the season, thank god.

Boyle - Just stodge, not good enough for this level

Nero - Been a good pro, but getting too old now. Starting to pick up a few injuries time for him to go.

Godwin - Too injury prone, gives his all when on the field, but another one who needs to call it a day.

James - Never ever rated him, god knows why we signed him?

Sidlow - Got the size and a decent off load that's about it.

Williams - I'd go as far to say he's better Broughton. We need Danny signed up asap.

Gibson - Defence is poor, but a useful player to have and always pops up with a try. Worth another contract IMO

Gleeson - Had a couple of poor games, but I think he looks every bit as dangerous as Moon on his day, has great foot work and a good offload always seems to make space for his winger.

Adamson - Yet another stodge player, works hard, but makes very little yardage, rarely offloads, rarely breaks the line. As a squad player maybe I'd give him a contract.

I think thats a pretty acurate assessment Ave It. If Gleeson and Williams do stay I think they both need to work much harder on their defence.

As for Matty Smith, similar money maybe but if he's looking for a big pay hike I'd look elsewhere. Although with the exception of Jewitt's form and the potential of young Owen I think the same 'Take it or leave it' approach should apply to all the players that they would consider retaining.

If they can get more money elsewhere best of luck to them. For every pound the club spends over the going rate, it effects the overall quality of the team they can put on the pitch. Lessons must be learned from past experiences, it's time to get smarter and play hardball for the greater good of this club.

Agreed we had one last year and this year needed to put two more with him not let him go and sign some NL1 players. Incidentally for those of you who don't follow the NRL Ray has been snapped up by the West Tigers via the Illawarra Clippers and he now plays with the likes of Robbie Farrah and Benji Marshall, it hasn't gone unnoticed that in conjunction with his arrival (3 games now) they have won all three and turned what was becoming an indifferent season around. ray has scored and according to the likes of Ray Warren looked the most interested player in the Tigers side.

Does anyone have an up-to-date list of our first team squad and when there contracts expire ?





oops found it !!

2012 Squad (including year in which contract expires) (Quota Players in Red)

Luke Adamson - 2012
Vinnie Anderson - 2012
Matty Ashurst - 2014
Ryan Boyle - 2014
Jodie Broughton - 2013
Niall Evalds - (?)
Theo Fages - 2017
John Ford - (?)
Ashley Gibson - 2012
Ben Gledhill - 2014
Sean Gleeson - 2012
Wayne Godwin - 2013
=#FF0000Daniel Holdsworth - 2013
Jack Holmes - (?)
Stuart Howarth
Jordan James - 2013
Lee Jewitt - 2013
Callum Marriott - (?)
=#FF0000Shannan McPherson - 2014
=#FF0000Joel Moon - 2013
Andy Morris - (?)
Adam Neal - (?)
Chris Nero - 2013
Gareth Owen - 2015
Iafeta Paleaaesina - 2013
Adam Sidlow - 2013
Matty Smith - 2012
Marc Sneyd - 2013
George Tyson - (?)
Josh Veivers - 2012
Adam Walne - (?)
Jordan Walne - (?)
Stephen Wild - 2013
Danny Williams - 2012

Half of our ineffective pack still have another season to go after this. Is there no end to our mediocrity?

I can see some decent money becoming available if we are getting rid of Anderson and Pattern and also if rumours are True Feka. With Towers coming and the youngsters to cover for him there is no big money being spent on a full back and with Feka going maybe the money we are saving can go to getting in two decent hefty props to give us some go forward.
I would as has been suggested by others put DJ into the lock position, play Sneyd at 6 and then we seem to have enough cover in the second row to not worry about buying in to replace Anderson as we have Neal, Wilde, Ashurst, Adamson, McPherson, Nero and maybe a coule of the 20's squad.

Why do we always want to play players out of position, DJ is a half back it's either there or nowhere. Let's face it I doubt Matty Smith will be with us next season so Sneyd can partner Holdsworth.


Sorry mate but they're average at best, Neal is a prop, he wants to play prop so leave him there. Wild is a loose forward (who for me is nearing the end of his career) Ashurst I like, a good solid second rower and Nero is really just a fill in at second row. And McPherson is build like a second rower but for some reason people fancy him as a prop, he's not big enough.

I'm not sure Smith will be moving on, he's not exaclt carried on the form he started the season with and I get the impression he might be the one that breaks the mould and shows commitment to the team who gave himn regular first team rugby and especially if Long is on the coaching staff next season.

Well you know me I rate Neal but don't think unless the weather is scortching he has the build for it and do see him as a big minutes second rower, also don't see McPherson as a front rower, suspected he might be before he arrived but I remain to be convinved and that we havn't boaught a crock as he does seem injury prone but good when he is on the pitch.

DJ definately has the size for a 13 though not sure on his defense, Wilde I see as very important as he does the hard work that doesn't get him noticed but I bet he is one of the most important players to the other players (reguardless of him being captain that is). Nero is valuable as he can take a bench spot and at a push cover the centres, or any of the back three forward positions, Adamson is performing more like his old self and is for me worthy of a new contract and surely a couple of the 20's have got what it takes to step up, so at most I'd say we need one 2nd rower and I'd go for another younger Ashurst type.

Have you heard the rumours about Paul Wellens receiving an offer from Salford. Saints are reluctant to offer him a new deal and Salford are rumoured to have made him an offer. How would you feel about that?

I'd be gutted, very much a backwards step if true, I'd rather spend that kind of money on a prop and trust one of the youngsters or see how Towers performs.

No Luke Patten, but solid enough I suppose. Would prefer someone younger with a bit more pace though.

Is this Towers an Aussie, from your academy or French? He's the one from the French league?

He's an Aussie, who we signed from Limoux, who is now playing in our academy. So your sort of right on all 3

With a British passport

Pretty much the polar opposite of Luke Patten so should delight the Turkey posters who think our current full back is our worst player ever because he (allegedly) isn't much cop in one on ne situations. I think Wellens is one of the best fbs in SL - excellent defensively and good support player. Would rather we invested in someone younger but, providing he's not about to fall apart physically, he'd be a top filler fo the next couple of years whilst we bring a few youngsters through