You really are an idiot , totally unbelievable

"Our issue is that most of it has been wasted on players who don't fit the bill. "





I bet that in 25+ years many many players did fit the bill. Please list all players in this period and your views on each.

Or do you ignore facts for debate?

Star Bug. Are you going to continue to just insult me? I have put forward a reasoned arguement having formed an opinion based on many years of watching Salford week in and week out. I have also observed the club from the inside as a player at academy level.

So far all you have said is that JW has kept us afloat with his money and insulted me for having my opinion. Just because it is at odds with yours doesn't make me an idiot. Now if all you want to do is deal in insults I suggest you go back to your own forum!!!!

Hillbilly red: I will gladly debate the merits of the players we have had over the last 25 years. There have been some fantastic players at the Willows during that time. However, I'm sure everyone would agree that we have thrown money away on a number of imports who simply weren't good enough and players who had had their day.

The current squad is a case in point: J. Smith, R. Paul, R. Cashmere, W Talau to name but 4. go back through the years and you will find our squad littered with those kinds of player. Anyone who says that's down to the coach, the final say go's to the man with the money doesn't it???

When Snape sold to Wilky the club were going downhill fast both on and off the field, in its hayday the variety centre was the top caberet nightspot in the UK bringing in money to fund the team on the park. Unfortunately wilky did not have that luxury because Snape had sold that to Greenhalls brewery.
Wilky did bring big name players here Garry Jack was world player of the year when we signed him. As for signing ex-internationals how many players have left to become internationals and look whats happening now.
Look at Wigan if it were not for Dave Whelan needing planning permission for his new football ground Wigan would no longer be in business. 18000 crowds on average and still ended £4m in debt before selling up to Tescos.
All top clubs except Leeds which is a city 4 times the size of Salford make a loss each year despite the Salary Cap.
We can not bring in the money other clubs do from advertising because we are hardly ever on TV and this has been the state all the time we have been in Super League.
The only way to get money in is by getting people through the door, unfortunatey most people in Salford are apathetic and if it means effort will not bother. We are not a Rugby city we are not a Football city we are a can't be bothered city and until that changes Salford do not deserve a place in Super League and has a fan of 42 years I am now facing the truth I had tried to hide and that hurts.
As for getting to Wembley was it Wilky's fault that Cousins was offside or Naylor tried to run through the fullback instead of passing against Sheffield NO, so close yet so far.
Wilky's big problem is he listens to others and takes their advice, without him we would just not be here now, look at Swinton playing like nomads but have a bigger supporter membership than Forever Reds see apathy again. It is up to us to not the chairman to get into the ground and support the team, it does help if we are winning I know but Wilkys investments over the years have not been matched by the fans.
But I do feel we now need to look for a plan B and possibly life outside Super League and ensure that the Rugby League respects the work done by NL clubs in developing players and ensure tha Super League Clubs pay the going rate for the talent they are buying and so supporting lower league rugby.

Good. I hoped we'd stopped being a retirement home. I'd much rather sign future internationals than ex-ones. Maybe people would have been happy for us to have signed Paul Sculthorpe for this season, or maybe you'll be pleased to sign Briers for next season as signing ex-internationals is clearly a sign of progress.

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I think it is fair that Wilkinson has done a lot for the club over the years, but it should also be remembered that he has received a huge amount, from his associations with the club that will have undoubtedly helped him in his other dealings.

I remember Mr Wilkinson himself telling the fans at club function just before we signed Richard Webster that the Variety Centre was back in the clubs hands and would therefore provide finance. Some years later I am told the Variety centre is owned by Mr Wilkinson’s wife and if that is the case, when I buy a pre match pint does any money going to the club? I also recall another rumour that when Mr Wilkinson was happy to sell the Salford City Reds approx 5-6 years ago, the Variety Centre was not part of the deal. Does anyone know if there is any truth in this?

It is my belief that those who are in power in terms of decision making and day to day running are so fixated on this “new ground” they believe it will solve all the clubs problems, the simple fact of the matter is it wont. Salford City Reds is a business and if the product in not competitive or enjoyable then people will not use it. Would you go and watch a crap films in a plush cinema? You may once or twice but you wouldn’t go every week because you going to watch a film and not sit in a comfy seat.

28th June - a person called Gavrillo Princip sets out to remove a leader and accidentally was able to - result millions of dead.

It is easy to remove a leader or cause a board to resign - what happens afterwards is rarely what those, who were critical enough to force that change, expect.

What is the alternative?

Actually we need one as I doubt that Mr Wilkinson nor I will be around in the late 2010s for a reattempt on SuperLeague.

Gavrilo Princip assassinated Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria and his wife in Sarajevo on 28 June 1914 with a lucky shot and being in the wrong place at the wrong time, which led ultimately to the First World War in case anybody was wondering.
And the peace deal signed at the end of the First World War was part of the reasons of the Second World War.
Hundreds of millions killed because a driver was not given the right directions and took a wrong turn.

Just bin on GMR he & tarry were to busy to comment on the stadium when asked on friday,

I am completely amazed at how lax the club seem to be witht his stadium, it seems to be shrinking every time we hear something, soon there will be nothing left i fear. Sorry but I think were in a hell of a lot of trouble. Were still a yo yo club with a turd stadium and a dwindling fan base, sorry but I for one think its time we stop accepting being Mr Wilkinsons toy thing and start trying to be a top rugby club again. Aim High don't accept being poor and average just happy with our existence, what kind of club is that?

just heard jack mention it on gmr what a disgrase... DO THE CLUB EVEN CARE ABOUT US FANS ANYMORE..
im not to sure they do..

once again they keepin the fans who turn week in week out in the dark

salford no all the fans want to now whats happin with the staduim and when asked to update us on the sittuation on gmr they turn around and say there to busy well that just somes how our club is being run and how much they care about the fans..

where were all these posters last week when i was making the same points but getting slagged off for it????

Have also been asked to go on Thursdays show so will be interesting to see if anyone from Salford takes up the offer.

We're a small club with small finances and small crowds to match, I'm not sure who some of you think we are, we constantly punch above our weight and have done for many years, if anyone can name me or even inform me as to anyone with the finances or can get the finances to take over the club and is genuinely interested in taking over the club in the current economic climate we find ourselves then let us know or better still drop JW a line, just get real!

The first step in moving onward and upward is recognising who,were and what you are , until you do that you will forever be stuck in a continuous merry go round of blame and fault finding

If you want an example of this have a look on the Leigh site , there are many to be seen

I'm sure, like you, they've been busy researching and gathering an informed opinion on the subject before bleating a load reactionary sh*te that's been proven to make no sense at all... Oh wait!!

I keep saying the same thing KOTS - we seem to have collected a raft of supporters out of synch with what is going on in the real world somehow

Nail, head, not so much hit, but tw*tted firmly into place!

Bravo KOTS

I'm very concerned about our future and very worried about the stadium but very happy with JW.

Some posters are young enough to be there when he retires - i hope I'm around to listen to their moans then.
I remember moans about the Snape Bros.

Speaking as a supporter who is usualy optomistic I think its a case of being ground down over this season , both with performances and stadium issues.

I thought the owner of peel holding is taking over wilkinson when we get the stadium

Im certain we will get the stadium because wilko will do everything he can.

Ah, the internet. What is it for if not for kids to spout useles, ill-informed rantings?

Our attendances are abysmal and the fact the you have a Super League club and its chairman to whinge about is something of a feat in itself. Unless the fans come in numbers and put some money into the club how do you expect we're going to buy world class players?

I'm not sure if some people on here are purely Salford fans and don't follow rl as a sport but as has been posted earlier look how many clubs of similar stature to ours have either gone bust or are playing lower league. The reason we aren't is JW. Be grateful for what you've got and if the good times come again then great, but what's the sense of jeopardising the long term future of the club on a mad spending spree that we don't have the income to cover?

I fully understand your sentiments and, in many ways, I agree with them. Sadly, the playing side has knocked the stuffing out of it for me - it has often been dire, dull and tedious. What makes it all the worse is that we know they can play when they choose to - IF they were doing that week in and week out, irrespective of the result, I dare say many of us would concentrate more on the Rugby and less on all these things we can't really change or even influence? I have faith in Mr Wilkinson because he is all we have on our side and he has spent many years supporting our Club. It might be easier for the man to turn away and walk? But he hasn't and he is still involved in whatever plans may still be available to us. There is no big backer interested in RL let alone Salford and in the present economic situation there is unlikely to be a queue forming to buy into the club. When people are losing jobs, homes and hopes some of the carping about Mr Wilkinson not having ambition or not doing enough is wrong. We all have our opinions and we all have our valid views and these are just mine. No more important or correct than anyone elses'. I just wish the team would get their act together because things might just be a bit brighter for all of us.

I had to nip of before I finished my post. The peformances on the pitch we can all winge about its not the defeat that is important more so the manner in which we were defeated.
I went to watch a summer conferance game on saturday and it seemed there were less basic errors in that game than there was in the Huddersfield game, really it should be the otherway round
Iin referance to JW and co I have every faith them to continue their efforts to deliver a new staduim . Wether they succeed or not is another matter, nothing is certain in these unpredictable times.