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If what is said is true in that article regarding expenses it's hard to see how we can make it work at the AJ Bell even if we had the crowds. Even if we hit the mark this season at an 8000 average (Which was our aim but pie in the sky atm) the constant bill-rising each year would eventually cripple us. It's not sustainable if it's true. That's a worrying article, and unless MK buys the stadium outright, which I can't see happening, I can see our future elsewhere. Quite where is anyone's guess though.
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If what is said is true in that article regarding expenses it's hard to see how we can make it work at the AJ Bell even if we had the crowds. Even if we hit the mark this season at an 8000 average (Which was our aim but pie in the sky atm) the constant bill-rising each year would eventually cripple us. It's not sustainable if it's true. That's a worrying article, and unless MK buys the stadium outright, which I can't see happening, I can see our future elsewhere. Quite where is anyone's guess though.
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| Would there ever be a possibility that we could leave the AJ Bell and have our own stadium in Salford similar to the Leigh one or (i know its smaller) FC United? I think its the only way the club will ever move forward and bring the Salford public back, but I don't know whether that would ever happen.
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| Quote ="Chester J Lampwick"Fridays could clash with football too from the next tv deal. We either start playing Sunday at 6.30pm to avoid any football clash, or just face the fact that we could have clashes with football in 6 months of an 8 month season and just make the product we offer good enough to withstand that.'"
A little late, but someone happened to post a graph with last years attendances on ter, presumably rounded to the nearest 100. I did a quick calculation of the average attendances per day (Last season only):
Thursday 5000
Friday 5080
Saturday 3150
Sunday 4875
There's very little between days there, with the exception of Saturday plainly being daft. If you add in that Football will also be on Fridays in the future & Fridays mean lower away gates for some of the more distant teams (Notably the Hull clubs), then I think Friday & Sunday will be more equal in the future.
The more interesting point is that we really can't argue that Thursday nights are bad for us judging on last years stats!!
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| After reading some pretty negative comments on this page I would like to add some optimism to the debate.
If we get success the fans will come!
Mancunians are used to success with United and now City too, why would they even think about going watching a losing side when they are used to finishing in the top 4 every season.
We haven't played in a major final for all the years I've been alive always and ask yourself this....
If Salford got to Wembley or Old Trafford. How many people do you know that would come to the game that doesn't usually attend Salford matches? The answer will be a lot!
We've got a team capable of winning trophies, let's get behind the team. We have always dreamt of success!
As for the AJ Bell and if the claims are true that the rental will be 40% higher than any other clubs in Super League. I'd be backing the Doc to build our own stadium unless Peel allow him to buy the Stadium.
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| Quote ="DEVILS2015"
If Salford got to Wembley or Old Trafford. How many people do you know that would come to the game that doesn't usually attend Salford matches? The answer will be a lot!'"
Really not that many personally. Some floating fans yes but none come to mind that don't go to at least a couple of games a season, absolutely zero. That's just people I know though, obviously this will change per person but I don't expect a sudden massive following if we make it to either.
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As for the AJ Bell and if the claims are true that the rental will be 40% higher than any other clubs in Super League. I'd be backing the Doc to build our own stadium unless Peel allow him to buy the Stadium.'"
You'd think there would be some development on one of these fronts by now if this were to happen, it's obviously something that's been known about since he took over. It's a really troubling statement if true IMO.
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| Quote ="Red Willow"You must be a bloke, what makes you think more women would attend the game if they could get their hair done? Would a barber make you more likely to go?
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It was just an article I read on how American sports clubs/brands targeted new potential customers. For instance they would advertise first 50 females would receive x type beauty treatment/product from x company at the game. It's good advertising for the company involved. They also offer many other complimentary products or services based on different demographics.
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| Quote ="Mr Scholes."Vickers is coming across as massive bell end on Twitter if he thinks the way to attract fans is by being sarcastic and slagging potential fans off he’s sadly mistaken, if he seriously thinks that because we have won 6 out of 8 homes games then thousands will come flocking in he is in dream land, is he forgetting the massive losing streak we also went on last season? We all know Salford isn’t a big RL area and the sad fact is we will not attract any more than the hard core until we start winning games and actually living up to all the hype, if we did become successful whilst not attracting mass amounts in my opinion we could average around 6.5k. The simple reason for the poor attendances are years of poop and false dawns.
2007 –14th on 13 and were relegated.
2009 – 13th
2010 – 12th
2011 – 11th
2012 – 11th
2013 – 14th
2014 – 10th
2015 – we start with a loss and another hammering, things look to be picking up but it’s going to take time.
Sunday rugby doesn’t make a difference in fact I bet we have averaged more on Fridays than we have on Sundays over the years (?). And for me this is why I don’t like Sunday’s because they clash with football.
I do get where he is coming from in the sense that people do make up some ridiculous excuses not to attend the games but at the moment we are giving them reason to make those excuses, if we get the product right on the field and we are still in the same position then it’s time to worry.
I really don’t see the benefits in Vickers taking to social media the slag the Salford public off, he beginning to get on my fu*king tits.'"
No doubt Mr Vickers will be under some pressure from the Doc but it comes across as desperate, needy and does more harm than good. More energy should be put into creating a better matchday experience and selling it positively. Social media can be a great marketing tool but it has to be used effectively. If you publicly question why people aren't attending it justifies their decision not to go because others aren't going. It's like being invited to a party and someone begging you to attend because hardly anyone's going. You are going to wonder why people aren't going, and think if I go it will be a crap night.
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| Didnt the club hire K2L to help with ticket sales? Have seen anything at all from them
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| Quote ="andyh0064"Really not that many personally. Some floating fans yes but none come to mind that don't go to at least a couple of games a season, absolutely zero. That's just people I know though, obviously this will change per person but I don't expect a sudden massive following if we make it to either.
I know a lot of Salfordians that would jump on the bandwagon if we went to Wembley and Old Trafford. Salford people that may have been to a few games in their lifetimes would definitely go to support their city. I think it's also important to win at Wembley or Old Trafford too. Huddersfield may have been to a few Challenge Cup finals but they aren't exactly drawing the the crowds at the moment.
You'd think there would be some development on one of these fronts by now if this were to happen, it's obviously something that's been known about since he took over. It's a really troubling statement if true IMO.'"
I've been informed that when MK took over he didn't have to pay any rent on the stadium for 2 years but he's failed to mention that. I have no idea how he lost £4/5m in the first 1/2 seasons. Unless we have spent a fortune on paying people off, new facilities etc. Maybe he's trying to act desperate to attract more fans to the games.
If you're reading this Vickers or Koukash acting desperate is the worst selling tool of them all.
Don't be slagging off fans to come to the games.
Waiting in the car park after the game for 40mins with on 3600 at the game v Hull is a joke and will put people off coming to matches. Imagine if we got 10,000 it would be an absolute nightmare.
Believe in the team and the fans will come they are there but we just need to win more regularly. Remember the last game at the Willows v Catalan?
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| Quote ="DEVILS2015"Remember the last game at the Willows v Catalan?'"
The last game at the Willows was a one off, I know a few Wigan fans that went because it was the last game at the Willows...Don't think they'll start turning up if we win a few games tbh.
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| Quote ="andyh0064"The last game at the Willows was a one off, I know a few Wigan fans that went because it was the last game at the Willows...Don't think they'll start turning up if we win a few games tbh.'"
Well about 10 of my mates went all Salford fans and 6 of them don't usually attend games. #negative
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| I just think it's stupid people throw that particular match out when claiming the fans are there, it was obviously a special occasion. When was the last time Salford equalled that crowd at home?
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| Quote ="andyh0064"I just think it's stupid people throw that particular match out when claiming the fans are there, it was obviously a special occasion. When was the last time Salford equalled that crowd at home?'"
Perhaps some people were attracted in the knowledge there was going to be a bumper crowd and thought it would be a great atmosphere? I also believe that some went for family/nostalgic reasons. We have had some decent crowds against Wigan in the Challenge Cup over the years but this was always helped with a big away following.
I just don't think we have turned the tide yet as a team. We need more consistentency over a longer period with a few big scalps. Local people have an opinion Salford aren't a winning/entertaining team and it's going to take time and several big results to change people's mindset.
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| Quote ="faddy860"Didnt the club hire K2L to help with ticket sales? Have seen anything at all from them'"
There was something on Twitter from K2L a while back asking Vickers when they going to be paid. Think that partenership may have been finished.
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| Quote ="theredshed"Perhaps some people were attracted in the knowledge there was going to be a bumper crowd and thought it would be a great atmosphere? I also believe that some went for family/nostalgic reasons. We have had some decent crowds against Wigan in the Challenge Cup over the years but this was always helped with a big away following.
I just don't think we have turned the tide yet as a team. We need more consistentency over a longer period with a few big scalps. Local people have an opinion Salford aren't a winning/entertaining team and it's going to take time and several big results to change that.'"
I'm not arguing with the fact we have more fans to attract, they are there. I just don't think that particular game is an indication of them.
I don't think we'll average 10,000 over the course of any season in the next 10 years but I'd love to be proved wrong. Truth be told, I'll be happy if we still have a club in 10 years!
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| Quote ="builditandtheycome"There was something on Twitter from K2L a while back asking Vickers when they going to be paid. Think that partenership may have been finished.'"
Hardly surprising if you consider the lack of impact on numbers.
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| Quote ="andyh0064"I'm not arguing with the fact we have more fans to attract, they are there. I just don't think that particular game is an indication of them.
I don't think we'll average 10,000 over the course of any season in the next 10 years but I'd love to be proved wrong. Truth be told, I'll be happy if we still have a club in 10 years!'"
I honestly believe there is realistic potential for 6.5-7k with a successful winning team.
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| Quote ="theredshed"I honestly believe there is realistic potential for 6.5-7k with a successful winning team.'"
I actually think that number's achievable in the next season or two, if we put in the performances and the club get its act together a bit on the publicity front.
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| Looking at the twitter feed of Koukash, I fear a big outburst is on the way regarding lack of crowds after today's game.
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| Why aren't we in discussions with.Salford City FC about ground sharing? Yes, I know Salford City only get 250-300 fans for home games but the fact they have the highest profile ownership outside of the Football League for me makes it a no-brainer. It's criminal that a city the size of Salford doesn't have a football team in the lower reaches of the Football League/Conference and I really believe a Salford Red Devils Football/Rugby League franchise has massive potential. If Giggs & co can get Salford City somewhere near the Football League in the next 5/6 years I don't see any reason why they couldn't increase their following ten-fold. I know I'd be well up for a joint season ticket.
The current stadium rental situation scares the sh* t out of me. Costs are a joke and having seen this week's article it's only going to get worse. Get Moor Lane sold and move Salford City in at Barton. They'd have great training facilities and I truly believe it could work. Obviously, we'd need to charge Salford City a nominal rent due to their current size which could increase as they climb the Football pyramid and crowds increase but it's a win-win for both parties IMO. Having Giggs, Scholes, Neville, Butt etc at a few games certainly wouldn't go amiss either for the extra publicity....
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| I think you are missing the rather obvious point that "we" couldn't charge Salford City any rent! It's the stadium company that charges the rent.
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| 2712 today. what an utter embarrassment. London were only just under that.
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| Quote ="southern_rhino"2712 today. what an utter embarrassment. London were only just under that.'"
So?
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| Quote ="southern_rhino"2712 today. what an utter embarrassment. London were only just under that.'"
Is this seriously the attendance? Looked a lot more than vs Hull to me. Bloody hell that's disappointing if it's right.
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| Something dodgy about the declared attendance figures
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