Its wound me up to but JW is allowing it, and the next big thing will be curtains for us if he doesnt get this last chance saloon right.I Dont trust our board one little bit.

Where's GT? Lets start our own club and move back to the willows!

There is only one man who can make a difference but do we really think he is going to bump of his two trusted lieutenants at this crutual stage of our transfer to barton.
I don't think so when we finally move to barton and things don't change with the potential of new fans @ a new venue with new exposure then the questions have to be asked.

MP is just a pawn in the big game here, he did the right thing in getting the message out that things need to change, like trish goldsmith before him big ideas lots of Passion getting everyone working then dispached when the kitchen started to get a little walm,

The players moan because under mcrae it was all half days ect now they are being worked hard for the 1st time then the dummies fall out

I hope Mr Wilkinson n Mr clegg give parish a chance and don't just throw this golden opportunity away as this is really the last chance saloon....

So much negativity!!!!!

Looking ahead to next season, we always perform better than expected, when we go out and buy wisely. When the board gives a coach a big pot of cash to go out and spend on whoever the coach can convince the board to sign, it usually bites us in the ass. For example:

2006 - Karl Harrison recruits a few players from relegated teams, the Reds perform well, building on the previous seasons.

2007 - We make some high profile signings and the Reds perform below what is expected of them.

What we all need to remember is, some of our players didn't play anywhere near to what they are capable of. Let's face it McRae's coaching and conditioning methods were terrible. Extra fitness and just little bit of strength work will see the Reds improve. Feka and Anderson looked better as the season progressed, getting those two fit for the start of the season, and keeping them fit, is a real necessity. When Alex Davidson played for the first team, he looked to have the size for Super League, and if Moon plays centre, our first choice backline could be a real handful next season.

I don't think our recruitment has been that bad, two players for the future, two for present and one squad filler. Could be worse. McPherson will be a key player in the second row, and Jordan James is quite agressive in defence. My main worry is, who will get us out of our 20m area with Cashmere gone.

This could just be the darkest hour, before the light starts to appear.

Besides, if you think our recruitment has been bad, Hull have just signed Martin Aspinwall. The player described as a power house second rower? Their recruitment looked to be going well, until McRae got involved!!!

that sounds a bit like Swinton to me ...

read Black Cats post his morning I was reasonably upbeat about the move ( it help's being colourblind

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then I read the replies , then I read the MEN :-


- we've been well & truely ......

Gonna go slightly against the grain here. Even though we all know there is a 95% chance of Salford messing things up as usual, there is the 5% chance that we might actually stumble across some sort of method that ends in us making a success of it. It is still a decent opportunity etc for the club if we can make the most of it. The most annoying thing however, is that it is pretty obvious that the club would at the drop of a hat trade it's current fanbase for a new family orientated happy clappy brigade. The attitude seems to be that we are not too bothered about the current fans as Barton will attract a totally new fanbase. Pretty risky strategy.

It was nothing to do with my well known hatred of football, it was meerly a statement that I look at some comments about the blue seats and see that what some people mean.

To me it would appear that if what some are saying on here that some of the senior players don't like him of his methods that they should shut up or ship out, only for so long can we blame coach after coach for our/thier failings, time for the players for front up and except the blame for their shortcomings.
Would it maybe have something to do with the fact that said players don't like that we have a coach who questioned thier commitment? their fitness and there application? and if what I hear is correct refuses to let them continue in that vien with him in charge. You do get the impression that under MP player power will result in nothing but the players getting bollocked and extra training.

I have a nice life thanks for asking!!!
It's not that I am slagging negativity more than I'm saying if your going to be negative fine a solution rather than droning on and on.
Everybody knows the club needs a shakle up and that a new owner is needed but continually saying so does nothing but bore people. Can you see anyone with a few spare quid from Salford thinking I know I'll buy the club but before I do I'll just see what my potential target audience think of the club, the move to a new ground and life in general - think we all know anyone with half a brain cell would run a mile after reading this forum.

I want the club and the team to thrive, I want the move to the new ground to be a catalyist and I want things to be that rosey that peple can only complain because there is nothing to complain about, my love for the club can't be questioned.

Hey middleman, there was a method behind the madness and I'm glad you and many others have been brought to its attention. Like previously mentioned I don't rely on hearsay, some things said over the last couple of months would astonish the most hardenned of supporter, it would be unfair for me to comment further on those issues at this time.

Those of you who continue to gloss over the real issues fair play, but when things don't quite progress as you're currently thinking or hoping ( blue seats not an issue with me but they're a start ) please don't then wonder where it all went wrong, you will be simply too late. I and a good few others who have so much Salford running through them are being tested to the hilt. I appreciate greatly the comments received from Loyalfan, KOTS, Red Willow, Iain, Solly, Dantes Inferno, middleman and Fungus amongst others who have contributed about our current plight.

Since the demise of red city developments?,just days after winning our 3yr licesence,i have been more than concerned about what has been going on behind closed doors at the club,everything as been going down hill since.Just being drip fed one after another snippets of bad news,nothing now will surprise me not even a name change to Manchester city reds,fed up with it all.

Would you sooner have the players you are close to.Or Matt Parish.

Im not questioning your love for the club.You obviously do with the amount of time you seem to spend on here.But glossing over the real issues doesnt make the problems salford have go away.You have to address your negatives to put them right.Ive supported salford for over 30 years now and never seen good times(i dont count 2nd division champions as good times by the way).The faith has gone for many supporters because of these owners and i got a lift when 10000 spectators turned up last game of the season, Which proved we have a fan base out there which isnt being reached, we always seem to be let down and kept out in the dark over things.MP was right moving to a new stadium wont improve the running of the club until everyone is pulling in the same direction.

I think we all kind of new that a groundshare was on the cards with Mufc reserves but never with Sale.But to make it worse were on equal measures with them and it will look highly embarrassing if they fill out OUR ground and we dont.The marketing team really needs to pull their finger out.It honestly wouldnt surprise me if a name change to manchester was branded if all fails.But you would find some positive out of that too i suppose.

As for solutions its easy ,employ a better cheif executive and marketing structure take a leaf out of sale sharks book.

I have to ask is Salford's marketing department run by Mossad, because they seem to get in places without anybody knowing, and we are using the same techniques.

QED

Said all along a tie in with Sale on the marketing and training front can only help. The odd cross code player loan would go be good for me to.

I'm not sure why Sale, who themselves are after the same corporate sponsors and members of the public as us, would want to help market a rival (and better to watch) brand. You don't get Debenhams and John Lewis helping each other with marketing just because they both operate out of the same shopping centre.

I mean more personnel, strategy, hardware and maybe if either approach a company and get a reply sorry but you play at the wrong time of year or maybe have the wrong demographics for us! It can't hurt can it. And the shared training is a know brainer that it works, said it before but by the sheer volume employed but kicking is better across the board in RU so we could learn much from them there and RU can pick aspects of RL.

I personally hope they market reduced season tickets for the RU/RL punters as any extra bums on seats is a good thing.

Strange you should say that, it's been mooted before for if the club ever re-branded to Manchester RLFC or something similar. Even before 2005.

As a Wigan fan, we play in a stadium with blue seats in it, I know how you feel. We also have a rival sport playing in the same arena, it got so bad at one point that we were forced out to play a game at Widnes.

One thing I have come to learn is that the identity of a club is not in the arena which they play in. It may be a very small part of it, but it doesn't mean we are no longer 'Wigan' just because we don't play at Central Park anymore. I loved Central Park but it wasn't actually our first home, we have had change before now, change must happen to RL to develop.

You will only play around 15-16 games each year in the stadium, and in time the stadium will grow old and you will need another new one. But the fans and the name of Salford will still be the same.

The identity of your club is in the name of Salford and its fans, that is not lost just because you are moving to a new place and just because it has blue seats.

The same fans will be around you, =#FF0000YOU are Salford, not the stadium or the blue seats.

Spot on.







Just wish some of our own fans would cut out the negativity towards the move, and get on with supporting the club and team.

The main issue with Sale moving in is not the fact we hate Rugby Union, but that we all know Salford are run so amateurishly that we'll never be able to compete with them off the field.

I find it frightening how alienated so much of our hardcore support is right now.

Not true actually Iain, if you look at Debenhams and John Lewis' positioning in the Trafford Centre, they are at opposite ends in what is termed the "anchor position" - all malls try to do that, getting a strong anchor is good for everyone, so arguably Debenhams and John Lewis are helping each other by being those anchors!!! Good commercial organisations can and do benefit from each other

I think the time has come in rugby as a whole, rugby league in particular and Salford as a corporate basket case to have some really off the wall thinking and creative ideas - when a hard nosed, professional businessman like Ian Lenagan at Wigan sees the writing on the wall and starts a deal going with Saracens, it's time for everyone in RL management to sit up and take notice, smell the coffee ... (running out of cliches now), but what is abundantly clear is that continuing as is, just is not a viable option.

Salford will gain nothing except reducing running costs from any agreement with Sale.

Right so this is my first ever post on here! I actually am a PR and Marketing professional and in the past have done quite a few bits and bobs in sports including some work with Hull FC. After the debacle that was the last game at The Willows I wrote a letter to John Wilkinson to tell him how mortified I was with the entire event - saying if I had put that on for a client I would have been fired. I supplemented this with some top line ideas to what I would have done - and that a major opp had been missed to leave 10,000 people excited about next season and the new Stadium!!

To cut a long story (or letter) short - Mr Wilkinson actually responded to me saying that he was intrigued by what I had to say and by some of my ideas and that he would like to meet with me to discuss. I am due to go and meet him next week and have pulled together some ideas and areas I think we need to be doing in the build up to the new season and the launch of the new Stadium.

Having seen how disillusioned everybody is on here though and the total lack of excitment for the new season to come I wanted to post ahead of that meeting to ask you guys for ideas that you would like me to present to JW. So anybody with any sensible ideas and solutions (sacking the board will not be something I plan on bringing up) then please do let me know!!

I think we should all be enthused though about the fact that JW has asked to see me - hopefully he is ready for some fresh input and ideas - so let's all get together and try and get something positive out of all this!