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| Confirmed, but we have made a terrible, terrible mistake.
He's Ginger!
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| I think this has a bit of a worry about it. It's one thing to take a player on loan who's intention is to get back to his home club and needs to prove his worth to achieve that.
But IF Taylor has already signed for another club for the following season, then other than keeping fit where is the motivation and committment to perform coming from?
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| Quote ="BartonFlyer"I think this has a bit of a worry about it. It's one thing to take a player on loan who's intention is to get back to his home club and needs to prove his worth to achieve that.
But IF Taylor has already signed for another club for the following season, then other than keeping fit where is the motivation and committment to perform coming from?'"
I worry that he will just coast through the year until he can head home.
And as someone else has said it is a bit of a kick in the teeth for the other young players who are already on the books, they might find themselves behind him for a season. which for me potentially stifles their growth and desire.
As a result I can see one of the younger players going out on loan for the season to the Championship. Not entirely sure if possible but to Bradford or London would be ideal as every team will up their game when they play them, maximum competitive edge each week.
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| Great signing stop moaning!
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| Happy with this signing. Regardless of length of contract.
We'll see in twelve months time where his future lies. In the meantime, we have ourselves another good forward which was needed.
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| Quote ="Michigan red"I worry that he will just coast through the year until he can head home.
And as someone else has said it is a bit of a kick in the teeth for the other young players who are already on the books, they might find themselves behind him for a season. which for me potentially stifles their growth and desire.
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Sneyd didn't coast through his season loan with Cas , he went out of his way to prove what a big mistake his previous club had made & put himself in the shop-window for a new deal & possible representative selection.
Taylor got England Knights call up in 2013 , i would expect him to want to get himself back in contention next season.
He is also working with his old Scrum Half from Hull KR & his ex assistant coach from Wigan.
Yes He's Ginger but so was Craig Stapleton .
For the Other Props in contention , well the bar just went up another notch , and if they push for selection this year two - three of the props will have moved on or retired by 2016.
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| Quote ="Chester J Lampwick"I'd be more concerned about whether bringing in a player who we know is not staying with us could hinder the development of the others who we have more of a vested interest in developing (Walne, Menzies, Forster) - in effect, we're developing a player for Hull. Unless of course we're going to do a Cas and do everything we can do to get a loanee to change plans.'"
Unless a player is so close to the end of his career he'll see out his days with you, every player on your books is potentially being developed for another club. That applies to all clubs, including Wigan.
I'm not sure that it'll have too much of an adverse effect on the development of the players you name either. We had too few props last year, and with Walne missing most of the season with injury, then Tasi suspended and Griffin injured, we were sometimes going into games with just two out and out props. What we've got now is a bit more strength in depth in that position. Prior to this signing, though, what we didn't have was enough tried and tested props; the ones you would want playing in most games as the younger players develop.
The only real concern I have is that we've now got three props (Morley, Puletua and Taylor) on, effectively, one year contracts, so we'll be scrabbling around for three more props this time next year. It's a similar situation to what we had at the start of last season, but at least this time we've got a few younger players coming through.
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| Quote ="Michigan red"I worry that he will just coast through the year until he can head home.
And as someone else has said it is a bit of a kick in the teeth for the other young players who are already on the books, they might find themselves behind him for a season. which for me potentially stifles their growth and desire.
As a result I can see one of the younger players going out on loan for the season to the Championship. Not entirely sure if possible but to Bradford or London would be ideal as every team will up their game when they play them, maximum competitive edge each week.'"
Some of those younger players came from the Championship though, so I can't see what would be gained by sending them back there. Also, as we saw last season, prop is a position where you need plenty of depth, and with three of our front line props being in the twilight of their careers, I think it's a fairly safe bet that some of those young players will feature in the first team quite a few times next year.
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| Was it Scott Taylor that scored a 60m try against us 3/4 seasons back at The Willows or am I getting him mixed up with Rhys Lovegrove? I remember thinking at the time "f*ck me, this kid is quick for a prop"!
FWIW, a Pie fan in work seems to think we're getting their best front rower. Young, British and plenty of ability... he'll do for me!
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| Pie boards are full of how we have been shafted on this deal. Since we have paid the 'compo Hull wouldn't'
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| Quote ="BigT"Pie boards are full of how we have been shafted on this deal. Since we have paid the 'compo Hull wouldn't'
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They only see it from their point of view. Here's some examples from said fans...
'Why would he ever want to leave Wigan? Is he mad?'
'He'll fade into obscurity now...'
'He can't possibly fulfill his potential now he's not at Wigan.'
'He'll just sulk at Salford now.'
'He'll still be homesick down the road.'
'This sale has really derailed his chances of bringing together Israel and Palestine.'
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The point being that fans are always full of ideas about why, but very few are are actually in charge of facts.
The way I see it is if Harris is wants him for the season, MK pays a nominal fee (Pocket change as we know), and Taylor gets game time in a season he wasn't going to at Wigan. Everyone's a winner here. There's no losers. Wigan get a fee and offload a wage and player who wants away. Salford get the extra prop they want. If he is Hull bound at the end of the season then they get a fit player for no fee.
I fail to see who's shafted here.
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| Quote ="SaleSlim"Was it Scott Taylor that scored a 60m try against us 3/4 seasons back at The Willows or am I getting him mixed up with Rhys Lovegrove? I remember thinking at the time "f*ck me, this kid is quick for a prop"!
FWIW, a Pie fan in work seems to think we're getting their best front rower. Young, British and plenty of ability... he'll do for me!'"
His 1st full season was 2011 I think , he was responsible for Hull KR's win against us in April 2012 where he walzed over for two short pass tries in the last 10 minutes.
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| Quote ="TheButcher"They only see it from their point of view. Here's some examples from said fans...
'Why would he ever want to leave Wigan? Is he mad?'
'He'll fade into obscurity now...'
'He can't possibly fulfill his potential now he's not at Wigan.'
'He'll just sulk at Salford now.'
'He'll still be homesick down the road.'
'This sale has really derailed his chances of bringing together Israel and Palestine.'
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I fail to see who's shafted here.'"
and there's more ..
Quote "joined the less professional environments of Salford and Hull."
"definitely expect him to fade back into obscurity playing for Salford and later Hull FC"
"Taylor will struggle getting into the England team playing for a club ( Hull FC ) that may be in the second division when he joins them"
"Career suicide"
"His form was appalling for major parts of last year and now he's ended up having to sign for Salford"
"It may be easier for him to stand out in a poor team"
"presumably is that he'll carry on sulking, only now on Salford's time rather than ours."'"
I think when it comes to feeling shafted by Wigan , I've a guess Parramatta would be in that queue before us , ( Paid up for Mossop, Paid to fix both his shoulders up , plays three games then walks straight back to pieland.)
after Phil Bailey & Feka's 1st season , if Taylor makes it onto the pitch and lasts more than 10 minutes a spell he'll be classed as one of Salford better signings from our beloved neighbours
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| Amazed Pies don't want him........definitely the best loan signing we ever had from them, TOP player. Is he definitely returning to Hull KR in 2016, or is it that he wants to move back to Hull, and play for a club 'nearer home' ?
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| Why are Wigan fans getting excited over the undisclosed fee we've paid for Taylor? Do they think it's anything more than a few grand really.
Great signing though, even if it is for just one-year before he joins Hull. Big talent.
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| The interesting thing could arise if Salford stay in the Super League and Hull FC miss out in 2016.
Long shot but Taylor no doubt signed a SL contract and maybe becomes a Free Agent - like Westerman & Sneyd.
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| Not seen much of Scott Taylor but people from Hull Wigan and Huddersfield fans think he's a great player. Just noticed that Mandy Koukash on twitter saying Marwan after one more player
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| Why would we need to pay a fee to Wigan? He signed for 2 seasons with an option for a 3rd so surely it is up to him if he stays for that 3rd season?
I can't see anyone in SL having a better pack than us next season, just hope that HH, Hock and Hauraki stay on the field together as I can only see them destroying other teams out wide.
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| Quote ="Michigan red"Why would we need to pay a fee to Wigan? He signed for 2 seasons with an option for a 3rd so surely it is up to him if he stays for that 3rd season?'"
As I understand it Wigan activated the 3rd year, presumably to stop him doing one to Hull for nothing.
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| I actually admire the way Lenagan does business in regards to player contracts , the use of the optional last year can presumably activated by either party. and you'd think players agents would have got wise to it by now.
They activated it in relation to Gareth Hock , Harrison Hansen, Darrell Goulding and now Scott Taylor.
Clubs invest years in getting players to a position when they become admired by other teams so they are protecting their investment , the optional year also is insurance to players if the they want to stay on and the clubs have other ideas so it works both ways
They also held out for transfer fees for under contract players Sam Tomkins & Lee Mossop when they fancied a sun tan and a go in the NRL.
They also insist in a 1st refusal clause when they return to SL
They paid up mid season for Matty Smith, when it could have been easier to watch our demise & pick him up close season.
If you compare Wigans way of doing business with the way Leeds acquired ' homesick ' Joel Moon
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| Top signing! Chuffed with this! This guys England quality and when was the last time we had a front row knocking on the England door? Not sure why some people are bothered about the length of contract? I'm only bothered about next season! Welcome Scott and show the pies that ur not a robot and express itself! Getting a pretty good squad together now, looks like hood and theo will take hooking duties as thought this would be an area where we would spend much of salary cap! Started getting excited nowicon_smile.gif
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| Good signing, sorry to see him go... Just hope that whatever affected his form is behind him...
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| Quote ="Early Bath"The interesting thing could arise if Salford stay in the Super League and Hull FC miss out in 2016.
Long shot but Taylor no doubt signed a SL contract and maybe becomes a Free Agent - like [iWesterman[/i & Sneyd.'"
I don't think we got Westerman for free, we paid a fee.
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| Quote ="stouffer"As I understand it Wigan activated the 3rd year, presumably to stop him doing one to Hull for nothing.'"
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| Quote ="Wilde 3"I don't think we got Westerman for free, we paid a fee.'"
correct mate, we paid £125,000 for westerman. wigan wanted big money for taylor aswell which we wouldn't pay for a year deal buy out
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