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| Quote ="djws61"Reading a lot of negativity towards Harris, Man mangement, coaching methods etc and Wigan seemingly happy to see him leave or "not stand in his way". Hope Harris appointment doesn’t turn out to be a disastrous decision Ok the team hasn’t been performing as expected but with eight games gone was this really the right time for a change? … will he be given till the end of the season regardless of results ?'"
So Iestyn Harris isn’t going to want his own backroom staff?? Salford finalising a deal to keep Sean Long at the club and assistant coaches Andy Hay and Stuart Donlan are still part of the Salford backroom team for how long one wonders
Still think 8 games isn’t enough time and the injuries to key players haven’t helped as I’ve stated before stability is the key to success if results haven’t improved after 16 games is it goodbye Harris. Hope it works out and this isn’t a step backwards not because lm a fan of Harris but because of the loyal supporters who turn out week after week!
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| Donlan left last week, that seems to have slipped under the radar in all this.
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| Quote ="Ave It!"Donlan left last week, that seems to have slipped under the radar in all this.'"
That's what I thought but if you read the quotes From Martin Vickers on SKY it appears he is still there, that is the issue with believing what you read on internet forums.
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| Quote ="Michigan red"That's what I thought but if you read the quotes From Martin Vickers on SKY it appears he is still there, that is the issue with believing what you read on internet forums.'"
Hmmm, sure I read a quote from Marwan that he had left?
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| Quote ="Ave It!"Donlan left last week, that seems to have slipped under the radar in all this.'"
Not according to Martin Vickers
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| long leaves because he can`t work with noble , long returns and nobles sacked , i just hope there isn`t 2 different cliques forming in the squad , gleeson is longs mate and possibly hacked off at losing captaincy , just seems funny long is being offered a new deal now nobby is out of the way , all conjecture i know but someone as stabbed nobby in the back
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| You're both right.
MK said he'd left,MV said he's not.
By the way,how do we know it was players going to see Koukash that did for Nobby.
More speculation ?
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| It says there's going to be a press conference to unveil Harris on Weds, I'm wondering if any of the alleged new RU targets will be announced too, maybe too defllect slightly from what's gone on over the last few days.
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| Quote ="the red fusilier"long leaves because he can`t work with noble , long returns and nobles sacked , i just hope there isn`t 2 different cliques forming in the squad , gleeson is longs mate and possibly hacked off at losing captaincy , just seems funny long is being offered a new deal now nobby is out of the way , all conjecture i know but someone as stabbed nobby in the back'"
Do we have any evidence that Sean Long left because he couldn't work with Brian Noble? The official reason - that he'd been offered the chance to coach one of the biggest clubs in the world, the club he grew up supporting and who train within a 40-20 of his home - sounds pretty plausible.
From what I remember, the week his move to Wigan was announced, he stayed on the coach the Salford team for one last match. If his working relationship with Brian Noble was so bad, would he have done that? And would he have come back to Salford?
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| Quote ="Michigan red"It says there's going to be a press conference to unveil Harris on Weds, I'm wondering if any of the alleged new RU targets will be announced too, maybe too defllect slightly from what's gone on over the last few days.'"
No chance of new RU signings being announced. Think we need to start viewing these references to new RU signings as an aspiration as opposed to thinking we're involved in talks with top level people.
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| Donlan wasnt mentioned in Koukash's "Noble, Harris, Long and Hay are the team to take us forward" quote.
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| Quote ="John Gilbert Reds"Donlan wasnt mentioned in Koukash's "Noble, Harris, Long and Hay are the team to take us forward" quote.'"
I'm sure Salford Online mentioned he'd gone last week as well.
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Quote ="Red John"Do we have any evidence that Sean Long left because he couldn't work with Brian Noble? The official reason - that he'd been offered the chance to coach one of the biggest clubs in the world, the club he grew up supporting and who train within a 40-20 of his home - sounds pretty plausible.
From what I remember, the week his move to Wigan was announced, he stayed on the coach the Salford team for one last match. If his working relationship with Brian Noble was so bad, would he have done that? And would he have come back to Salford?'"
maybe after what happened in london there was nowhere else for sean to go and salford was the only offer , don`t get me wrong im glad sean is back and part of me hopes 2 young british coaches working in tandem could bring out the best in the squad we have ,on the noble /long not getting on front
www.mancunianmatters.co.uk/conte ... n-warriors
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From what I remember, the week his move to Wigan was announced, he stayed on the coach the Salford team for one last match. If his working relationship with Brian Noble was so bad, would he have done that? And would he have come back to Salford?'"
maybe after what happened in london there was nowhere else for sean to go and salford was the only offer , don`t get me wrong im glad sean is back and part of me hopes 2 young british coaches working in tandem could bring out the best in the squad we have ,on the noble /long not getting on front
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| Its' A Dr . Who's Coach? Regeneration
Now on Dr's 3rd incarnation.
He loves Press days more than Putin Loves annexation.
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| Quote ="middleman"Its' A Dr . Who's Coach? Regeneration
Now on Dr's 3rd incarnation.
He loves Press days more than Putin Loves annexation.'"
never a truer word mate.
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| Quote ="REDRUM"Marwan isn't short of a bob or two so if you are spending that kind of money on the squad - not to mention what he was willing to throw at Tomkins and SBW, then why not get a quality young coach with a decent record to avoid this?'"
That'd be a start. Instead he's opted for Iestyn
On a serious note, I'm more than a bit puzzled why he hasn't set his sights much higher on the coaching front, given that, as you point out, he isn't short of a bob or two.
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| Quote ="Clearwing"That'd be a start. Instead he's opted for Iestyn
On a serious note, I'm more than a bit puzzled why he hasn't set his sights much higher on the coaching front, given that, as you point out, he isn't short of a bob or two.'"
I've nothing against Harris and I will give him 100% backing as I did Noble even though it was IMO the wrong choice, but it does make you wonder why Marwan wants the best players for the club but will settle for second rate coaches. I have a feeling we will be back at this same situation in 10 games time although I hope to god I'm wrong.
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| Noble was the right appointment for the initial job.
Whether replacing him so soon was a good idea,only time will tell.
But you simply can't call either of them second rate coaches,purely because they're not to your taste.
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| Quote ="Bonita Red"Noble was the right appointment for the initial job.
Whether replacing him so soon was a good idea,only time will tell.
But you simply can't call either of them second rate coaches,purely because they're not to your taste.'"
REDRUM is right - in the ranking of coaches Harris clearly isn't first rate - whether he's even second rate is debatable. Warrington went through this appointing Paul Cullen and James Lowes - you can have all the stars you want but until you've got a top class coach you will underachieve, it's the most important appointment at the club.
A lot of what happens with Harris will depend on how the players react to the change. If they use it as an excuse to become unsettled we could slip down the league and he will be lucky to still be in a job next season. If he gets us in the 8 and the cup run goes on he will probably still be in a job at the start of 2015.
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| Said this before but when the Doc made the announcement on Friday someone came on here and said that Morley had gone onto Twitter? and said what a shock this was. Now if he's the club captain I'd be amazed if he wasn't aware of any dissent amongst the ranks.
I also simply can't see Noble being the type to let a player destabalise the dressing room, he proved with his management when the GB coach that anyone stepping out of line would get dealt with.
If he wasn't he isn't the club captain I thought he was going to be.
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| Quote ="Walshovski"REDRUM is right - in the ranking of coaches Harris clearly isn't first rate - whether he's even second rate is debatable. Warrington went through this appointing Paul Cullen and James Lowes - you can have all the stars you want but until you've got a top class coach you will underachieve, it's the most important appointment at the club.
A lot of what happens with Harris will depend on how the players react to the change. If they use it as an excuse to become unsettled we could slip down the league and he will be lucky to still be in a job next season. If he gets us in the 8 and the cup run goes on he will probably still be in a job at the start of 2015.'"
Thought he was calling Noble second rate,which with his record is clearly wrong
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| The future of Iestyn Harris coaching career at Salford is extremely simple to predict isn't it? So much so I don't even have to type what the minimum requirements will be.
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| Quote ="Bonita Red"Thought he was calling Noble second rate,which with his record is clearly wrong'"
Without wanting to be accused of being the Minister of Forum Corrections again you said "you simply can't call either of them second rate coaches" which I took to mean you didn't think either were second rate coaches.
Noble's record is clearly first rate, whether he is still a first rate coach is a different question. I've not changed my opinion of him since he's been sacked - I thought he was the right man to help rebuild the club from the ground up as that is exactly what we needed (and still need) but like everyone else I had doubts about whether he was truly passed it or not at the very highest level. I'm happy to discount last season because of the state of the squad but this year the performances have been average at best. I would have given him until the end of the season at least to see what he can do with the squad he has assembled and because we need stability as a club.
However, as the decision had been taken to replace him, the important thing was that we replaced him with as good a coach as we could get. I don't think anyone really believes Harris is the best. The main thing in his favour appears to be having worked at Wigan for a couple of years, the main negative is his record as a head coach at Crusaders and Wales, admittedly with limited squads.
Noble seemed to say on the SL Show that Harris was lined up to become his assistant and then somehow things changed and he became his replacement. The most intriguing thing in all this is who advised Koukash that Harris was suitable head coach material.
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| It will be very interesting to see what changes Harris makes tactically. Obviously defense is one area that needs immediate attention as is the speeding up the play the ball. I'm also hoping for a more expansive and entertaining style of play.
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