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| It's simple, Koukash needs to sit back and let Sheens run the show. All Marwan should concern himself with is making sure the players wages are paid correctly and on-time along with any other bills due. This alone would solve 90% of the troubles we're currently experiencing.
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| Quote ="Michigan red"It might be that the Doc rejected any such help or advise, I just find it odd that we seem too have a new white Knight who is getting closer and closer to the same scenario the old regime left us in.'"
If I was guessing from what I've seen and heard,he's a guy who won't listen.
Always knows best.
Noble and Harris are solid RL men; Sheens even more so and across 2 continents.
No, he seems to fall out with everybody.
Worse still,he's very high profile so all our problems become big news.
He's doesn't seem to learn so can't see it happening now.
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| Quote ="Michigan red"
It might be that the Doc rejected any such help or advise, I just find it odd that we seem too have a new white Knight who is getting closer and closer to the same scenario the old regime left us in.'"
You only have to do the maths. It takes deep pockets to run a club like Salford in SL at maximum cap or near to cap with our small fanbase. We were basement dwellers but financially sound for years weren't we at the Willows, when the club was only spending about 1.2 - 1.4 million against cap. Recent history shows speculate and fail with Salford unfortunately.
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| Quote ="John Gilbert Reds"It's simple, Koukash needs to sit back and let Sheens run the show. All Marwan should concern himself with is making sure the players wages are paid correctly and on-time along with any other bills due. This alone would solve 90% of the troubles we're currently experiencing.'"
I agree.
We need to be careful labeling another Messiah, especially one that's only here for another nine weeks.
I'm not sure what Sheens can actually do in such a short time. His ability lies in man-management, coaching, and training. Asking him to take on the role of Club 'go-to-man' for every problem area might be a step too far and asking him to work miracles in an area he will have limited experience in himself. Hopefully, he'll be getting stuck into the footy side of things.
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| If Sheens makes one recruitment it must be a manager with a big pair of balls, from all accounts the Doc gets involved in the playing side of things so a no nonsense manager is needed who will basically ask to be left alone to do his job.
Someone like a Sheens himself in fact.
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| Quote ="John Gilbert Reds"It's simple, Koukash needs to sit back and let Sheens run the show. All Marwan should concern himself with is making sure the players wages are paid correctly and on-time along with any other bills due. This alone would solve 90% of the troubles we're currently experiencing.'"
If only it was that simple! For whatever reason there seems to be a cash-flow issue!
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| Quote ="Michigan red"If Sheens makes one recruitment it must be a manager with a bit set of balls, from all accounts the Doc gets involved in the playing side of things so a no nonsense manager is needed who will basically ask to be left alone to do his job.'"
A successful and experienced coach with people skills is what this clubs needs.
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| Quote ="Chico"I'm concerned about the sentiment that people would rather watch Salford in the Championship or League One than endure the current situation. I can’t believe anyone who endured the 2008 season could believe that, even with those cup finals. The stench of death lingers below Super League – if you’re not in there, you are nowhere.
Not having a go mate but the stench of death that appears to surround Salford & Wakefield at the moment far out weighs that of the championship
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| Quote ="redgunner"If only it was that simple! For whatever reason there seems to be a cash-flow issue!'"
Weird that isn't it, particularly when you consider our owner is apparently a "multi-millionaire".
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| Are people seriously saying the Doc doesn't have enough money to run the club or pay the players?
I'd be very surprise given the very succinct way the Doc said every player has been paid on time or early since he took charge.
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| Quote ="Michigan red"Are people seriously saying the Doc doesn't have enough money to run the club or pay the players?
I'd be very surprise given the very succinct way the Doc said every player has been paid on time or early since he took charge.'"
Docs says every player paid on time, yet Hock's left, Puletua left, Locke left, Walton left, Tasi leaving, Theo leaving, Chase leaving, Paterson leaving and Hansen unhappy. Hmmm.... Coincidental, I think not!
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| Quote ="Michigan red"Are people seriously saying the Doc doesn't have enough money to run the club or pay the players?
I'd be very surprise given the very succinct way the Doc said every player has been paid on time or early since he took charge.'"
Would you honestly be surprised if he did turn out to be an Allen Stanford style character though? Not saying he [idefinitely[/i is mind.
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| Quote ="stouffer"Would you honestly be surprised if he did turn out to be an Allen Stanford style character though? Not saying he [idefinitely[/i is mind.'"
Think if that were to be the case he'd have been sussed by now, I think it's more likely to be that he does what most businesses do and pay things as late as possible allowing money to be kept earning interest for the longest possible time.
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| Quote ="Michigan red"Are people seriously saying the Doc doesn't have enough money to run the club or pay the players?
I'd be very surprise given the very succinct way the Doc said every player has been paid on time or early since he took charge.'"
Look at the history, are you suggesting all the players are lying, they are queuing up to get out! one player may have a grudge not a frigging team?
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| Quote ="j.c"Not having a go mate but the stench of death that appears to surround Salford & Wakefield at the moment far out weighs that of the championship'"
I disagree. And we’ve been in worse nick than this.
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| Quote ="Michigan red"Think if that were to be the case he'd have been sussed by now, I think it's more likely to be that he does what most businesses do and pay things as late as possible allowing money to be kept earning interest for the longest possible time.'"
What businesses are these? I assume not very successful ones. If he is as rich as he makes out, then why would he need to earn the added interest on players wages.
I know if my company paid me incorrectly or continued to pay me incorrectly I wouldn't stick around.
Also, why do you think Gareth Hock and Kevin Locke both left for FREE despite Koukash paying considerable transfer fees for both? If you’re unsure of the term, look up ‘repudiation’. Any breach of a contract (ie not paying on time or in accordance with contract) allows players to terminate ‘at will’ and walk away from their contract. Not great business sense from our multi-millionaire businessman owner, eh? Same could happen with Rangi, Hansen and Theo.
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| Quote ="John Gilbert Reds"What businesses are these? I assume not very successful ones. If he is as rich as he makes out, then why would he need to earn the added interest on players wages.
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The larger the business the later (or extended payment terms) they pay, this is based on my experience working for a very large multi national company. Big companies find the most spurious issues with invoices which is nothing but a credit management ploy.
What you find with people with more money than you or I will ever have in the bank is that it's never enough, they will find ways to make what money they have earn them as much as possible.
Odd I thought Hock was let go because let's be honest he's a bit of a bell end and a huge liability on the field and I'm pretty sure that Locke walking away is subject to ongoing legal proceedings.
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| It would be nice if the club especially the Dr came out and actually gave a constructive press conference addressing the issues instead of just swearing and shouting and threatening legal advice at anyone and everyone.
The more concerning issue is, his antics on the playing side of things some fantastic players want out of the club and in Rugby League circles this is very damaging as what player in his right mind will sign for Koukash after hearing what others have gone through, I wish there was a plan b but we are lumbered with this lunatic for the foreseeable future. A lot of hardcore fans will be ground down to the point of no return.
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| Quote ="John Gilbert Reds"It's simple, Koukash needs to sit back and let Sheens run the show. All Marwan should concern himself with is making sure the players wages are paid correctly and on-time along with any other bills due. This alone would solve 90% of the troubles we're currently experiencing.'"
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| I don't understand how payment issues could have occured and if they have then you speak to your boss sort it out and crack on surely, not rocket science?!! However it makes me wonder if there other reasons re the club i.e. our league position and player rosta, (decisons not being made when loads of players were out etc and seeking quality loan replacements biggest mistake of the season we could have been comfortable now imo) etc...
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| Quote ="stouffer"Would you honestly be surprised if he did turn out to be an Allen Stanford style character though? Not saying he [idefinitely[/i is mind.'"
No,he's not a Sandford type character.
He has a shed load of racehorses and the upkeep of those requires frequent and substantial payment.
I think it suits his purpose to be described as a billionaire,and he never denies it, and I can understand why he wants the club to stand on its own feet financially but it never has and never will.
This is partly about money,but mainly about the character and personality of the owner.
Things will not change.
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| Quote ="Bonita Red"No,he's not a Sandford type character.
He has a shed load of racehorses and the upkeep of those requires frequent and substantial payment.
I think it suits his purpose to be described as a billionaire.....'"
If Dr K were not a billionaire (or damn near) then the horses could be funded by a third party or third parties. This is not an uncommon practice.
His enormous training conglomerate - and no doubt the substantial staff it requires - are based overseas. He can run a billion dollar business based in the Middle east from the UK but struggles with a very small business in Salford.
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| I'd think it's more a case of the training business and horses are run by someone else but he seems incredibly hands on at Salford.
Does make you wonder what Vickers does with the Doc getting so involved.
We'd be better employing a proper CEO and the Doc becoming more of a figurehead than the current role he has seemingly doing a bit of everything.
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| I've no idea what's going on behind closed doors, but the doc would be well advised to delete his Twitter account. The volume of abuse he regularly gets on there is bound to drive him crazy and prevent him thinking clearly.
For what it's worth, I think he got it completely wrong from day one. He never should have said we were going to sign the game's best players, as the current squad were always going to feel threatened and unwanted by such a statement. His next major error came when the club jettisoned many of the players who had been around the for a few years. People like Broughton, Jewitt and Sneyd should have ben kept within the fold. They were the people to give us some identity and link to the recent past. He then went to make much of the same errors of the Wilkinson era signing flashy backs, rather than top quality forwards. I'm not even going to begin talking about the elderly signings made during Noble's tenure.
It's not all bad and with a little improvement, possibly a conditioning team not so caught up cross-fit might help, things could quickly turn around.
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| Re the racing: like it or not, according to friends who follow that sport, he's successful (by using Fahey [spelling? as his trainer).
I feel he has become the victim of his image: the missing Oasis brother : a winner but cannot shed some personality traits that cause failure when dealing with others. The call for Sheen or "a manager with balls" to sort him out are, on the evidence we've had, doomed to failure. The Dr. holds the cash, the ownership and the club. His is the only say in this: I think he would have taken on the Murphy. We, the fans, cannot choose another Doctor. If he walks and cuts his loses, then we go. We cannot raise the funds ourselves except at the lowest semi-pro level and then we need a ground. If he stays, we are faced with the same choices as the generals who served under Churchill had : "What's he going to say next?"
Well, I've nearly given up on many occasions in the past. I've even thrown my season ticket onto the pitch. I've been around too long to give up now.
Dr Koucash: it's up to you. Stay and make us proud again. And that includes not acting like Churchill. Or go. Simply go: you're not making me give up.
See you all on Sunday at teh bouncy castle.
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