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| Could a player argue that the system is a restraint of trade? Surely it prevents them earning the highest possible salary?
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| According to wiki Puletua wasn't registered to play with Salford in 2015. This could explain why he didn't make a single appearance for Salford last year, especially considering the club went through an injury and suspension crisis and were forced to play a lot of inexperienced academy kids. Subsequently he went to Hull KR and played 13 games for them.
If true then surely a player doesn't count against the cap if he's not registered to play?
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| He was deregistered part way through the season (2014 or 2015) therefore, he wasn't released. He could have been registered again had you lost one of your quota players to injury and they in turn were deregistered.
You may not have broken the salary cap, the RFL could be investigating an attempt to hide part of a players salary, affecting several players
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| Quote ="DemonUK"He was deregistered part way through the season (2014 or 2015) therefore, he wasn't released. He could have been registered again had you lost one of your quota players to injury and they in turn were deregistered.
You may not have broken the salary cap, the RFL could be investigating an attempt to hide part of a players salary, affecting several players'"
Why would Puletua have been deregistered part way through a season because of the quota? We didn't sign another overseas player after the 2015 season started. It certainly wasn't 2014 because I can recall when we signed Locke that Puletua played in the same team. I can't imagine the RFL allowing us to register Locke if we were over the quota. Just another thought, wasn't Puletua exempt from the quota anyway because of the number of years he's played over here?
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| The truth was always destined to come out, its definitely not an isolated incident with Salford but has gained more publicity with the way Marwan has gone about his business.
Most of the players will be reluctant to make a huge issue due to the Tax implications.
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| Quote ="Johnny Headline"The truth was always destined to come out, its definitely not an isolated incident with Salford but has gained more publicity with the way Marwan has gone about his business.
Most of the players will be reluctant to make a huge issue due to the Tax implications.'"
The truth will never come out based on the fact most SL clubs have been doing this for years. The reason this surfaced was because of the court case but you cant tell me that many other clubs are bung free - its a standing joke.
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| Quote ="Johnny Headline"The truth was always destined to come out, its definitely not an isolated incident with Salford. '"
Is that an assumption/hearsay or do you have the hard evidence to support this claim?
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| "According to wiki"
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Pulitzer prize winning stuff this , keep it up ...
as for the story from the Brighouse Trade Rag ,its not much better- let them disclose who actually leaked the letter from Green , if it wasn't Green , and who are these two ' Leading Figures 'from Superleague , lets not stop there , disclose the players agents who will have been party to ' contract negotiation's '
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| Quote ="MarioRugby"The Salford Scene (John Gilbert Reds on here, I believe) is suggesting on twitter that we could potentially face a 20 point reduction.'"
20 point deduction that's 10 wins, you won't win 10 games in 2 seasons.
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| Quote ="DemonUK"Thought the Bosman ruling was to do with transfers and not salary limits'"
FIFAs position was that because clubs played in THEIR COMPETITION they had the right to keep a players registration at the end of a contract. As the courts ruled it was unfair practice that allowed players to move.
Which is why I said the position that some take that it's the RFL right to set it's rules doesn't mean a court could decide it's unfair practice.
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| The difference is the clubs in Superleague collectively make the rules not the RFL.
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| But it seems to be suggested that most if not all the clubs have stretched, twisted or broke their own rules at some point. Does that not imply a review of the salary cap and how it is implemented?
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| ....is needed?
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| Quote ="theredshed"Is that an assumption/hearsay or do you have the hard evidence to support this claim?'"
No it's fact.
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| Quote ="bezzerscr"FIFAs position was that because clubs played in THEIR COMPETITION they had the right to keep a players registration at the end of a contract. As the courts ruled it was unfair practice that allowed players to move.
Which is why I said the position that some take that it's the RFL right to set it's rules doesn't mean a court could decide it's unfair practice.'"
Unlike the Bosman case, no single player can actively claim their rights have been breached (unlike the situation you describe that ultimately led to the Bosman rule). There are lots of examples for individuals having rights breached by over arching organisation agreements
(most recently a class action against 4 tech companies and a non competition agreement in Silicon Valley.) Both the Bosman rule and the mentioned example were also breaching rights of individuals outside of contract. The SC is strictly dealing with individuals IN contract, and you can sign away human rights in contract let alone allow the RFL to assign a number based on salary, appearance, bonuses, years of employment, previous employers etc and as a competition only allow a 25 man squad registered add up to so much.
Those alone make the "rfls comp, rfls rules" applicable here.
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| Quote ="Binosh"No it's fact.'"
Facts are pesky things. Just saying something is fact doesn't actually make it so. You have to provide evidence or a fact ceases to be so.
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| Quote ="TheButcher"Facts are pesky things. Just saying something is fact doesn't actually make it so. You have to provide evidence or a fact ceases to be so.'"
I don't need to, some of your previous employees are providing them instead & for what it's worth I don't believe it is an isolated incident at Salford.
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| Quote ="Magic Superbeetle"Unlike the Bosman case, no single player can actively claim their rights have been breached (unlike the situation you describe that ultimately led to the Bosman rule). There are lots of examples for individuals having rights breached by over arching organisation agreements
(most recently a class action against 4 tech companies and a non competition agreement in Silicon Valley.) Both the Bosman rule and the mentioned example were also breaching rights of individuals outside of contract. The SC is strictly dealing with individuals IN contract, and you can sign away human rights in contract let alone allow the RFL to assign a number based on salary, appearance, bonuses, years of employment, previous employers etc and as a competition only allow a 25 man squad registered add up to so much.
Those alone make the "rfls comp, rfls rules" applicable here.'"
Don't you find it strange that the very first time a challenge was made by one member club the RFL climbed down and changed the very same rules that the other member clubs agreed
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| Firstly,the salary cap is definitely not a restraint of trade. If the player thinks he can earn more money plying his trade elsewhere, he can do so. As in any job, no club can make a player sign a contract. You cannot claim a restraint of trade on a restriction of earning potential when it's simply not true, in this case as the salary cap in Australia is higher, as it is in rugby union (which I'm pretty sure would be considered a similar job).
It seems Puletua had simultaneous contracts, which is not illegal and therefore Salford were cleared at ET. However, his other contract (issued by a MK company) did have to be paid in full, so the claim that Puletua's case was completely dismissed is misleading.
The main concern for Salford will be that having a "hidden" contract paying a player 40k through a company owned by MK is, to anyone with common sense, a breach of the salary cap. If this has been the scenario for other players, there could be a significant financial breach of the cap, for which the club would receive serious consequences.
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| Bet Derek Beaumonts squirming a bit, surely Leigh must be up to the same tactics
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| Quote ="DirkDiggler"Bet Derek Beaumonts squirming a bit, surely Leigh must be up to the same tactics'"
This struck me to. Although, I think if there are going to be repercussions it's going to be league wide as I don't think MK is probably doing anything different than most Clubs.
Will be interesting to find out what happens, although I have a sneaky suspicion that not a lot will come of it for these very reasons.
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| Pheww.
I was worried our resident legal eagles would stay silent on this.
The one fact that is actually fact is that it's factually a fact that people don't know all the facts.
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| It sounds that the salary cap rules needs ripping up and starting again if things are so wide spread bypassed.
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| Quote ="bezzerscr"Don't you find it strange that the very first time a challenge was made by one member club the RFL climbed down and changed the very same rules that the other member clubs agreed'"
No. Mediation is always going to be the RFLs preferred strategy, where possible. As I said, it's a case lawyers would love to take on, because it can be dragged out for years. Even when defending technically correct clauses and conditions, nobody would emerge the victor from that court case.
There have been many challenges to the cap over the years, that have gone reported and unreported. Wigan were given a 3 year grace period when the cap was brought in to avoid the courts. There's always a compromise to be found, whether that's marquee rules, the introduction of financial sustainability rules or a host of other tack ons and flexibility agreements.
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| Quote ="DirkDiggler"Bet Derek Beaumonts squirming a bit, surely Leigh must be up to the same tactics'"
I think there will be plenty of owners squirming more than Derek about this.
If anything, Beaumont was honest and open about the salary cap at the end of the season
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