There will be many differing opinions about the Theo episode, however, our club has been mismanaged from the core, and none of us will ever know the full extent of wrongdoing across the board...
Remember, it hasn't just been playing staff that have had issues, some employees behind the scenes have also been sh@t on, many loosing their jobs - or had all those people turned their backs on the club???

Theo could've played but he didn't... perhaps, this situation could end up being the massive kick up the backside that the management/owner requires to ensure player/staff welfare/contracts are administered correctly from now on.

If I am paying one player £40k and the other £215k, I would expect a damn site more from the higher paid one. It is also worth remembering that whilst both have shafted the club at key times, but the club have also shafted them.

I'm not disputing Theo could have handled the fall-out better, but I am not going to use it against him in wishing him well. He's better off away from Salford if the truth be known and he couldn't have got himself a better club than Saints. Rangi on the other hand seems destined for Leigh, which speaks volumes.

I just hope this is the end of such fall-outs, as the only people who suffer are the fans. Not just by seeing good players leave the club, but also the difficulty in attracting new ones due to reputational damage. Some tough lessons have been handed out to Koukash and Vickers over the last 18 months, lets see if they've learnt anything.

I'm with Butcher on this one.
They both acted wrongly,and pay has nothing to do with it.
Indeed I think Theo's agent said that it wasn't about money.
Undoubtedly,though,we will remember Theo with far more affection than Chase, as he's been a massive disappointment. I'll remember THAT pass but that's about it.

There have been players who have left us who I have looked forward to seeing play us in the next seasons ... simply because they went about it the right way. Ratchford is one example (and Smethurst for those over a certain age). I hope to look upon Fages in some of this regard. He has moved to a different firm to better himself.

I do not want to watch Leigh next year. I do not know what the players going there are thinking but but they are going into a confrontation between the Leigh owner (and management) and RL. They are surely aware of this probability and their roles within it. I wonder if I can support this action.

So I differentiate between the two players.

No matter what has gone on behind scenes the fact of the matter is Theo walked out on us and his team mates with the most important 7 games of the clubs recent history left. He had the chance to stay and play, he chose not to and for that I can’t forgive him. I’m not bitter about him moving to a better club and improving his career, I don’t blame him for that, in fact I admire that, but there is a right and wrong way to go about things. He could have played the 7 games (depending on selection obviously) and left at the end of the season with everyone’s best wishes.

I don’t understand how our fans can give Myler dogs abuse and then worship the ground Theo walks on. What Theo has done is far far worse than what Myler did and we got a hefty fee for Myler lets not forget that. Theo on the other hand has screwed us over big time, by walking out and leaving himself open for Saints to get him for next to nothing. Very tactful Theo, not. Yes he may have been advised to do this, but he had the choice at the end of the day. The lad has shown his true colours here.

Am I the one who thinks Chase will be a miss for us? Jesus who we bringing in that is better? Apart from the ban which was a bit farcical, he's been in great form this year, don't get me wrong I don't like how he forged his way out and its pi$$ poor, but but you cant say he hasn't played well this year when on the field.

Chase will be a huge miss no doubt about that. Outstanding player and without his suspension we would have been comfortably in the top 8.

Most teams would miss Chase, the top teams though could possibly carry a player who is more of a show pony than solid half back.

I think had he not missed the games he did due to suspension that the top 8 would have been a much easier target, the suspension was harsh but ultimately foolish on his part to tackle in the way he did, which again is another reason why we are possibly better off without him.

It has occurred to me that his well publicized meltdown a couple of weeks ago now seems to have been forgotten, is it a case of that story being generated to nudge the club into letting him go?

There is nobody unhappier than us on how Theo left the club, tried talking to him to see the season out,but his head had been turned by a certain person over 18 months ago,when we was also approached to advise him to leave the club,which we declined to do. Eventually, amongst other things happening, Theo's head was turned & he became unhappy. The walking out was a decision he was advised to do to fulfill somebody else's ambition & get back at the club.
Youngsters need to be wary of people bearing gifts!!!!!

Thank You Shirley for enlightening us with your background Info. I know you spent a lot of time with Theo from being very young.
I think Theo whilst he played for Salford always gave 100% and worked his socks off in some trying times. I think he's a very good young prospect but not quite the finished article. I think he'll go on to be a very good player in the future and thrive with some good coachng.
I too was extremely disappointed with the manner of his exit strategy. I'll remember him with fond memories apart from his exit. He could have left by finishing the season to ensure our survival and with grace such as Stef and David Hodgson. Maybe his age played a part in his descision
Good luck to the lad.

I'm assuming Shirl that we'll need to wait a LONG time before you'll divulge who's turned his head?

I don't know how anybody could read Long's autobiography and see him as a role model.
He was undoubtedly a tremendous player though

I wish Theo no ill will and hope it all works out for him, but I can't forgive him (And the turds whispering in his ear) for the way he treated us, the supporters, doing it the way he did. I don't think he's a vindictive sort, so I can only imagine that the 'head-turners' created enough doubt in his mind. I can see the frustration that he probably had with Chase and Dobson taking priority, and it doesn't take a genius to whisper the right things in his ear.

A shame, but it's over now, time to move on.

I think some of you are being far too gracious about Fages manner of leaving....

bearing in mind we have released players this season and they have been model pro's and played with 100% effort and dedication since those announcements....its not nice to see a player shaft his own club like Fages has. I didnt even know you could simply hand your notice in...!!

Mickey higham while at the other end of the age spectrum to Fages left in a similar manner...having his head turned by a better/longer deal.

Mickey is currently bumming around in a lower division and getting spanked and will be again next year. He could have been playing superleague with us next year - it would have been his last year granted - but its not be..... and a sneaky part of me is so glad....

you reap what you sow ........as they say

If you get your recruitment right and the right type of player... the Joel Monaghans of the world for example, you might not be that far off Saints next year...it must surely be a grudge match in the making.....???

I know a bloke who works for fages agency, he told me a while ago that salford had made a 'brilliant offer' to him, but they (the agents) hate koucash, and also salford in my opinion, and he was going, agents are parasites and ive told this bloke my views but he says they are only interested in the players welfare, complete bull, they are only interested in what they can get. What i would really like to know is why couldn't theo fages say to his agent, he would resign at the end of the season? After all he makes the final decision.

Spot on above !!

Nevermind,theres always next year..

Yes but be careful, you might end up with neck strain looking up at everyone!

Heard similar that Graeme Taylor and Marwan Koukash have a very volatile relationship, even to the point of Koukash banning him from the stadium. Clearly his agent has done all he could to move him on from Salford and my theory on the resignation is, Mr Taylor knew Saints would never pay a transfer fee above £50k so in order to reduce Theo's value (probably around £80k) he used mistakes Salford had made previously with regards to Theos contract and cite breach of contract. Knowing full well an RFL tribunal would favour the player and set a marginal transfer fee.

As we know, it never went to a tribunal and a fee of less than £30k was agreed.

Sorry can't agree with that statement...in my opinion the biggest mistake of the Koucash era was appointing Brian Noble and trusting his judgement on players...to me Noble had lost touch with the modern game and his signings reflected this. Apart from Greg Johnson we had absolutely no pace whatsoever and the style of play wasn't great to watch either. Smith and Chase never jelled...Meli and Williams too slow...I thought when Harris took over he did an admirable job steadying the ship, sorting the defence out and injecting much needed pace. I think Harris had bad luck with the Chase ban and then Dobson getting injured ...apart from the strange signing of Micheal Platt who ran like a tortoise on prozac he did ok in my book. With regards to Theo ? Im not too bothered ..let Saints have him ..unless Long can develop him I don't think his kicking game will be good enough for that level and will be found out...Id much rather we tie Evalds down to lengthy contract and look after him as that young man is definitely a class act.

Noble could only sign what was available,hence Smith not Dobson.
The Koukash mistake was jettisoning Noble too early and starting the trend of instability

Personally I think Koukash made a knee jerk reaction. Fair enough if Noble wasn't the right man he should have held off and waited for a few months for a proven Aussie coach to become available. It may have cost a lot more money to attract this caliber of coach but I'm pretty certain we would be in a much better position now.

Seems the minute he leaves Salford he feels more comfortable not wearing a head guard.

Playing against Wales ATM, looks odd not seeing him in the cap.