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| Quote ="jools"Grow up - you see fellow professionals do things to each other all the time- you have Morley and hock on your team! mind you didn't see the usual head high smash from Morley- didn't see the usual aggression or hard running from Morley either- in fact didn't notice he was there.
Well known for his sh*thouse tricks is murphy, cited for them all the time..... Oh wait......
Must just be Johnson that brings out the best in him then eh'"
Think you need to calm down lad. You're going to pop a vein at this rate. Playground rantings are not really helping any argument you may have wanted to make. Try typing when your excitement has subsided...
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| Quote ="jools"Grow up - you see fellow professionals do things to each other all the time- you have Morley and hock on your team! mind you didn't see the usual head high smash from Morley- didn't see the usual aggression or hard running from Morley either- in fact didn't notice he was there.
Well known for his sh*thouse tricks is murphy, cited for them all the time..... Oh wait......
Must just be Johnson that brings out the best in him then eh'"
Jesus Christ, what a c*nt you are. I suppose it's alright if you see fellow professionals do it all the time. T*t.
Huddersfield have become one of the worst recently, Scott Grix and Danny Brough last week then Aaron Murphy again this week. Not what you want to see.
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| Quote ="jools"Grow up - you see fellow professionals do things to each other all the time- you have Morley and hock on your team! mind you didn't see the usual head high smash from Morley- didn't see the usual aggression or hard running from Morley either- in fact didn't notice he was there.
Well known for his sh*thouse tricks is murphy, cited for them all the time..... Oh wait......
Must just be Johnson that brings out the best in him then eh'"
Go to Specsavers then! You didn't see him smash through 3 of your players to score under the sticks? Where was you watching the game, at the Trafford Centre!
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| Quote ="jools"Grow up - you see fellow professionals do things to each other all the time- you have Morley and hock on your team! mind you didn't see the usual head high smash from Morley- didn't see the usual aggression or hard running from Morley either- in fact didn't notice he was there.
Well known for his sh*thouse tricks is murphy, cited for them all the time..... Oh wait......
Must just be Johnson that brings out the best in him then eh'"
How you have the gall to tell people to grow up after you're constant whining is beyond me.
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| Quote ="jools"
Well known for his sh*thouse tricks is murphy, cited for them all the time..... Oh wait......'"
What is your point exactly? I'm guessing Brett Ferres isn't well known for piledriving players into the ground, but he did it to Johnny Lomax and rightly got banned for it. Does the fact that someone hasn't done something before somehow excuse them from punishment or criticism when they commit foul play?
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| Quote ="Adamjk"What is your point exactly? I'm guessing Brett Ferres isn't well known for piledriving players into the ground, but he did it to Johnny Lomax and rightly got banned for it. Does the fact that someone hasn't done something before somehow excuse them from punishment or criticism when they commit foul play?'"
My point is - unlike some other players- murphy is not the kind of player to deliberately go out to hurt someone - which is what some of the fans on here are making out.
Nice classy fans too going by the name calling! And perhaps the reason I'm so incensed by what Johnson did is because I'm a female who has had to put up with blokes thinking it's ok to put their hands on your body uninvited. I'm sure you'd be happy enough if it was your mother, sister, wife or girlfriend.
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| Quote ="jools"My point is - unlike some other players- murphy is not the kind of player to deliberately go out to hurt someone - which is what some of the fans on here are making out.
Nice classy fans too going by the name calling! And perhaps the reason I'm so incensed by what Johnson did is because I'm a female who has had to put up with blokes thinking it's ok to put their hands on your body uninvited. I'm sure you'd be happy enough if it was your mother, sister, wife or girlfriend.'"
Jools, I don't want to get into a massive debate here but any sort of sexual assault is wrong and cannot be condoned. I don't know the in's and out's of the Johnson case but I believe he was punished and has a right to move on with his life. I'd like to think you don't class all blokes as sex pests as your post does come across a little that way? I deplore women that cry rape just because they've slept with a sports star & want to make a quick buck but I don't blame the entire female population for it, just the scumbags that think it ok to ruin someone's life with lies. Having said that, anyone found guilty beyond doubt deserves having the book thrown at them, male or female.
As for the Murphy elbow I can't comment, I was stood in the South Stand. I hope my fellow Salford posters on here who saw what happened are able to view the incident on it's merits and give an entirely unbiased view on what really took place.
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| Jools I am a mature female fan, and what I saw was a lead with his arm raised into josh.s face ok..
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| Maybe he did- I've never said he didn't- plenty of players go in with arms raised -I'm disputing the rubbish the fans are spouting about it being a deliberate "disgraceful" "sh*thouse" act to injure.
Just because your female doesn't change that. Ok.
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| Sorry but I would say it was a deliberate act and should of gone on report, whether he dirty player or not that's what I saw..ref was a wimp and should ave sent him off..
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| Quote ="Cripesginger"He wasn't drunk.
I don't thing a bankrupt shop is comparable with scarring and partially blinding a young woman. Nor is a nonsense rape allegation the same as a conviction for 2 nasty crimes.
I hope he grows a 'moral backbone'.'"
In sentencing Johnson at Bradford Crown Court today, Judge Jonathan Durham Hall QC said: ''....
'You are a rugby player who clearly worked extremely hard to achieve such success.
...but as a young man who has committed two offences in drink.'
He pleaded guilty thereby preventing the victim going through more trauma.He didn't make any excuses but took the punishment for a momentary madness.That is the system in this country.
I have no idea about the rape allegation but I understand on occasion the victim does not wish to undergo the court process - I don't think that equates with a 'nonsense allegation'.
I think he has a moral backbone but in drink had a nanosecond of madness.
I think he should be left alone.
I don't suppose anyone has compiled any figures,but it does seem disproportionate that over the years whenever rugby league players appear in court they are sentenced to terms of imprisonment when that is definitely not the case for others throughout society generally.
[url=http://www.burtonmail.co.uk/News/Three-escape-jail-despite-violent-street-attack-roles-20140212080000.htmExample 1[/url
[url=http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/461544/Man-who-battered-his-own-sister-unconscious-escapes-jail-with-suspended-sentenceExample 2[/url
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| he did not apologise to his victim. If it was a single moment of drunkeness you'd think he would wouldn't you? Don't make out it was one bad moment. As for the jail sentence-could be much to do with he also has other convictions- and that's just the stuff that got to court!
Those examples you give are nothing like the same- they involved family disputes- this was a sexual and physical attack on a stranger.
You stick up for him if you wish-I suppose he plays for you you will I'm just glad giants got rid of him with time left on his contract..... Wonder why?
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| Quote ="jools"You stick up for him if you wish-I suppose he plays for you you will I'm just glad giants got rid of him with time left on his contract..... Wonder why?'"
You do realise that you are doing the same thing for Murphy in this thread. The only thing anyone wants to debate was whether a RL player deliberately harmed another RL player. Most have said that it looked deliberate, others have said they didn't see. Only you are saying that he couldn't possibly have done it. Dragging in either players personality or history does nothing for the argument. It literally makes no difference in this case.
Did player A get his jaw broken by player B? Was it deliberate? That's all there is to debate on the subject.
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| Quote ="Red-Devils-PAW"In sentencing Johnson at Bradford Crown Court today, Judge Jonathan Durham Hall QC said: ''....
'You are a rugby player who clearly worked extremely hard to achieve such success.
...but as a young man who has committed two offences in drink.'
He pleaded guilty thereby preventing the victim going through more trauma.He didn't make any excuses but took the punishment for a momentary madness.That is the system in this country.
I have no idea about the rape allegation but I understand on occasion the victim does not wish to undergo the court process - I don't think that equates with a 'nonsense allegation'.
I think he has a moral backbone but in drink had a nanosecond of madness.
I think he should be left alone.
I don't suppose anyone has compiled any figures,but it does seem disproportionate that over the years whenever rugby league players appear in court they are sentenced to terms of imprisonment when that is definitely not the case for others throughout society generally.
[url=http://www.burtonmail.co.uk/News/Three-escape-jail-despite-violent-street-attack-roles-20140212080000.htmExample 1[/url
[url=http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/461544/Man-who-battered-his-own-sister-unconscious-escapes-jail-with-suspended-sentenceExample 2[/url
Etc.ad infinitum....'"
As I said he was not drunk.
Your earlier bankrupt shop analogy when we are talking about a scarring blinding assault says plenty about you.
The suggestion it was a 'momentary madness' is your fantasy. Johnson had previous. Johnson grabbed hold of her breast and would not let go and then glassed the poor lass in the face....a nanosecond of madness! grow up.
Your one eyed desire to believe totally unfounded allegations against the Giants while defending a woman scarring thug tells us plenty about you.HTH
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| Quote ="TheButcher"You do realise that you are doing the same thing for Murphy in this thread. The only thing anyone wants to debate was whether a RL player deliberately harmed another RL player. Most have said that it looked deliberate, others have said they didn't see. Only you are saying that he couldn't possibly have done it. Dragging in either players personality or history does nothing for the argument. It literally makes no difference in this case.
Did player A get his jaw broken by player B? Was it deliberate? That's all there is to debate on the subject.'"
Sure RFL panel will review it.
The judgement on the breaking of the jaw will be tough as Johnson had 2 lots of treatment prior to leaving the pitch. Should have left the field the 2nd time and been checked thoroughly.
Instead 2 Salford 'medics' kept the player kneeling on the touch line deliberately holding the game up. refusing the leave the field.
When Chase smashed Ropati's jaw he got 3 matches. Even if Murphy did something it doesn't come close to the Ropati hit.
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| As most people know I'm no fan of the player concerned but his past has no relevance to this topic.
I'd personally not be happy to see any player on a rugby field get injured regardless of his history.
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| Quote ="Cripesginger"As I said he was not drunk.
Your earlier bankrupt shop analogy when we are talking about a scarring blinding assault says plenty about you.
The suggestion it was a 'momentary madness' is your fantasy. Johnson had previous. Johnson grabbed hold of her breast and would not let go and then glassed the poor lass in the face....a nanosecond of madness! grow up.
Your one eyed desire to believe totally unfounded allegations against the Giants while defending a woman scarring thug tells us plenty about you.HTH'"
The bankrupt individual then being a shop owner a few years earlier was a vain effort to indicate that your club signed a certain player who was allowed to forget his past - and that of his wife - and progress in life.
The previous you refer to was 'threatening/abusive behaviour' and in now way relevant to the matter that some of you have chosen to repeat ad nauseam.
I have no desire to believe unfounded allegations but accept that a learned judge in this country which is a leading light around the world when it comes to a fair and just legal system has heard the evidence;passed a sentence and once the culprit has paid his debt to society he should be allowed to get on with his life without constant reminders of a pre-planned assault in full view of the victims fiancée and within his striking distance which took several minutes to complete whilst completely sober.
It doesn't say anything about me coz I am a right wing extremist with a hang'em high philosophy.
HTH.
Please divert your attention to those soccer clubs who signed Marlon King - and their forums - and the forum of the soccer club where Ian Lenagan is owner as they signed the goalkeeper who killed 2 family members on the motorway.
It may take their minds from the 1million pounds loss this year - [url=http://oxfordstudent.com/2013/02/07/oxford-united-sign-death-crash-keeper/Story[/url
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| Quote ="Red-Devils-PAW"
It doesn't say anything about me .
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It says plenty about you. None of it good.
Implying 'equivalence' between sexual assault and a violent attack with a shop bankruptcy or an unfounded allegation is pitiful.
Attempting to muddy the waters with links to other assaults simply wont 'excuse' Johnson's cowardly assault.
The 'nanosecond of madness' justification says plenty about you. None of it good.
If Murphy elbowed Johnson I would expect him to be punished and I would not dream of justifying his actions. If it were the other way round I know all the decent Salford supporters would do likewise.
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| Christ on a bike. Can we talk about the incident and not all this historic stuff that has nothing to do with RL?
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| and when mickey mac smashed kirk dixons jaw this season he got 3 matches and had the cheek to appeal.
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| Quote ="Cripesginger"
Attempting to muddy the waters with links to other assaults simply wont 'excuse' Johnson's cowardly assault.
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I have never tried to excuse the assault.The judgement in these matters is down to the legal/justice system.
However,your cogent argument has changed my mind.Oh,yes.It is obviously a Yorkshire thing and as you appear to believe there should be no end to the punishment I think all of Yorkshire should have a prison constructed around it and all Yorkshire inhabitants incarcerated forever.
Those inside and outside of sport are guilty of offending within and outwith this country.
[url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/south_yorkshire/4764161.stmFrom Boxing[/url
[url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/211569.stmFrom Cricket[/url
I won't mention the more infamous....or the behaviour of Mr Blunkett which led to the failure to protect the citizens of this country.
You win - so you don't have to post on the subject anymore.
I am off to remonstrate with the female medical staff who treated Greg Johnson for the injury sustained at the game on Good Friday.
The Easter message has obviously passed you by.The result ,sadly,of a secular society which nearly got 24 hrs drinking and gambling and got you irated about an incident in a drinking hostelry at 1.15 in the morning in the presence and sight of a number of people.
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| Quote ="Red-Devils-PAW"
The Easter message has obviously passed you by.The result ,sadly,of a secular society which nearly got 24 hrs drinking and gambling and got you irated about an incident in a drinking hostelry at 1.15 in the morning in the presence and sight of a number of people.'"
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| Quote ="Red-Devils-PAW"I have never tried to excuse the assault.The judgement in these matters is down to the legal/justice system.
However,your cogent argument has changed my mind.Oh,yes.It is obviously a Yorkshire thing and as you appear to believe there should be no end to the punishment I think all of Yorkshire should have a prison constructed around it and all Yorkshire inhabitants incarcerated forever.
Those inside and outside of sport are guilty of offending within and outwith this country.
[url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/south_yorkshire/4764161.stmFrom Boxing[/url
[url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/211569.stmFrom Cricket[/url
I won't mention the more infamous....or the behaviour of Mr Blunkett which led to the failure to protect the citizens of this country.
You win - so you don't have to post on the subject anymore.
I am off to remonstrate with the female medical staff who treated Greg Johnson for the injury sustained at the game on Good Friday.
The Easter message has obviously passed you by.The result ,sadly,of a secular society which nearly got 24 hrs drinking and gambling and got you irated about an incident in a drinking hostelry at 1.15 in the morning in the presence and sight of a number of people.'"
Keep digging
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